stevens 200 VS Marlin XL7

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stevens 200 VS Marlin XL7

As far as affordable guns go these two seem to be the ones to go with from what I have heard. I was handling a Marlin the other day and noticed it had an accutrigger type setup. Is the marlin made by savage? I know the stevens is. Either way what are some oppinions out there on either of these guns. I hear a lot about the stevens but not as much about the marlin. what are the high points of each?
 
http://w ww.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=449151&highlight=marlin+stevens

Very detailed post comparing the two.

That being said, make _sure_ you handle them both. I had my mind pretty made up on a Marlin, but didn't like the "hollow" feeling of the stock when I finally saw one in person. I decided to fork out the extra $ and go for a Weatherby, much, much more solid feeling piece.
 
http://w ww.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=449151&highlight=marlin+stevens

Very detailed post comparing the two.

That being said, make _sure_ you handle them both. I had my mind pretty made up on a Marlin, but didn't like the "hollow" feeling of the stock when I finally saw one in person. I decided to fork out the extra $ and go for a Weatherby, much, much more solid feeling piece.

great comparison! Thanks for the link.
 
I cannot compare because I have never handled the Stevens, but I really like my XL7 30-06. As for the stock I removed the cheap foam inside and stuffed the cavity with rags. That helps with the hollow sounding stock. Also as mentioned in that review, the Marlin recoil pad is a true a recoil pad, not just a rubber butt end. My 30-06 XL7 has less felt recoil than my 308 Ruger due to the nice recoil pad. With reloads my XL7 is capable of half in groups. All pretty good for an under $400 rifle in my books.
 
I was doing some reading and with the stevens you can replace the spring on the trigger with some .041" piano wire to lighten it up. Is this legit? Anyone done this or have a link to show how it is done?
 
I looked at exactly these two rifles and went with the Marlin XS-7 in 7mm-08. The main reason for me was the much nicer trigger, included scope bases, better recoil pad all for only $20 more than the Stevens. A little load development and I'm shooting 1/2MOA groups(140gr sierra prohunters with 42gr varget) from a stock "budget" rifle. I couldn't be happier. The Stevens are supposed to be excellent rifles as well, I'm sure you couldn't go wrong with either one, I just think the slight edge goes to the marlin.
 
Im having the same debate with myself right now! I have owned a Savage 11 which is the same gun as the stevens 200, except it has a removable magazine. I really liked it and it was light weight, but the trigger was a big difference from the Marlin. I have handled the Marlin and it is also very nice.

I am curious as to what the pricing is you have found. I can get the stevens for about 320 + tax, but I can't seem to find a Marlin for less than 429 + tax.

I don't know If I can justify the difference and go with a Marlin knowing that the stevens is really just as good. Later on if need be you can buy a new trigger for the difference. Bed the stock and youre done. You are prolly a little ahead with the stevens as far as parts availability.
 
My XS-7 was $389 at WSS, I think they might be cheaper at Basspro. Stevens go for for $369 around here. Where are you finding Stevens for $320 that's a good price!
 
I was doing some reading and with the stevens you can replace the spring on the trigger with some .041" piano wire to lighten it up. Is this legit? Anyone done this or have a link to show how it is done?

You can,
Its very easy and does work. You MUST keep some spring tension otherwise it can be very dangerous!

Despite what other said that older trigger is not the '3 screw' trigger as in mine there are no screws to adjust anything, other than the spring tension (i.e.part of the pull weight).

The short of it is that the spring replacement is good, but still not great. I have just ordered a SSS trigger for my Savage 11.
 
I was planning to buy a really nice hunting rifle but after doing some reading I am really getting into the stevens rifle. I went to http://www.303british.com/id62.html and he talks about this rifle in a way that really makes me think I can't go wrong with it. Here is one of the articles.

A Rifle for the Do It Yourselfer

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The Stevens 200 by Savage Arms
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Why Bother Buying a Stevens?

When I was a teenager, it was quite common to see guys fixing up cars. This was when gas was .32 cents a gallon - before the energy crisis of the 1970s sent prices through the roof. No one thought about gas mileage, just horsepower and performance. You would go to the automotive store or the wrecker and pick up parts to make the old beater in your driveway come alive. It was great fun, and if everything went right, you had a cool machine that was inexpensive to build! There was a genuine feeling of satisfaction when you fired up the engine in a car that your dad had written off as a lost cause. Gas prices and government legislation have made that a thing of the past, but you can recapture the "do it yourself" feeling with a Stevens 200.

I wanted a lightweight rifle that was easy to carry in the forests of northern Ontario. The bush is thick up there, with uneven terrain. I did not want to lug something that was too heavy or easily damaged. A 7.5lb rifle with a plastic stock, scoped and loaded, would work fine. A rough and tumble firearm was just the ticket. Whoever said that life was too short to hunt with an ugly gun has never been hunting up there. Enough with the romantic crap.

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Stevens 200 in 308 Win with oversized bolt installed

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A five shot group from my 308 Stevens 200

The target picture was the best of 8 - 5 shot groups fired while breaking in the rifle. I used Prvi Partizan 180 grain pointed soft point ammunition. The worst group was 1.25 inches.

I like these rifles because they're so much fun to tinker with. I own three - a 223 Rem, 243 Win and a 308 Win.

It's a Utility Rifle! Think Jeeps...

The Stevens 200 is not an entry level or woman's rifle - anyone that calls it that just doesn't get it. The Stevens 200 is a utility rifle. It is the Jeep of the bolt action world. If you want cute, you can buy any number of pretty, shiny or gold plated rifles that will have the urban gun club crowd oohing and ahhing. Those guys sure love pretty guns. Mine was not purchased to put on display, so the argument about it being ugly or made for beginners doesn't wash - not even a little.

The Stevens 200 is inexpensive because it does not have the bling that you see on many of today's guns. That's good because most hunters don't need it. You're better off putting the money saved into a great scope or upgrading the trigger. If you remember nothing else, remember that last sentence.

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Stevens safety - note original bolt still installed

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Upper bolt is the original with oversized bolt below.

The safety is located on top of the stock, just aft of the bolt. It's dead easy to operate using your thumb, with or without gloves on. It's quiet too.

Accuracy was fine. I haven't hunted with the 308 yet, but I’ve used the 223 and 243 on coyotes, foxes and groundhogs. It shoots the same as the other two, grouping around an inch at 100 yards. It may get tighter with the right reload, but frankly, an inch is all I need. I'll still tinker with the loads, but it's really not needed unless you like to experiment.

The trigger pull is adjustable within a limited range. The rifles were ordered over a two year period, and as each arrived, I adjusted the factory triggers to 3 lb. Once the mechanism is cleaned up and broken in, some hunters will be satisfied with the pull. If, after shooting it for a while, you want something a bit lighter, you can order a Timney or Rifle Basix aftermarket trigger. Personally, I didn’t like the gritty feel, so I replaced the one in my 223 Remington with a Timney. I just ordered a Rifle Basix trigger to try in the 243. For $100 Cdn, it's a worthwhile investment.

The rifle carries and points well. That sounds like a glowing endorsement for a shotgun, doesn't it? It's true, for me at least. Proper stock fit is often overlooked by hunters shopping for a new rifle. Like a new suit, it should be sized for you. Factory stocks are an "off the rack" dimension. Recoil and accuracy are affected by how well, or how poorly, your rifle fits when shouldered. If you're lucky enough to have a gunsmith that can properly adjust things, ask about which changes can be made to the existing stock or which aftermarket rig to buy. I only wish that there were more aftermarket stocks available in Canada. I'd like to build the 223 into a bench rifle. The lack of decent stocks here makes the project tougher to finish.

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Ken Farrell mount with Burris Signature Vee rings.

What I didn't like was purely fluff and easy to fix. The stock colour is not attractive unless grey is your thing. Many people have painted theirs, but I am too lazy. Frankly, people overreact to the colour. Like my old hot rod, buy some paint and redo it if the appearance is so upsetting, otherwise, get over it.

One of the Internet bugbears is stock flex. The stock is adequate for what it is expected to do. It might be more of a problem if you own the 7mm or 300 magnum. For the smaller cartridges, I don't see what all the fuss is about. With my rifles, I never noticed the type of twisting that has been repeated on some of the online forums. You have to haul down on the sling or wrench the forend with your hand to bend the stock. I honestly think that many of opinions about this rifle are regurgitated. In other words, someone that has never owned or fired a Stevens 200 read about "limp stocks" somewhere and repeated it, trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.

Perhaps someone larger or stronger had problems with the stock, but not me. Sure, there are better ones, but listening to the Internet chatter, you'd think that you were holding a chub of baloney. It works. You can buy an aftermarket replacement later if you don't like the factory one.

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opening for staggered mag (top). Single stack (bottom)


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Old 223 stock (top). Newer stock (bottom).
The upper stock is older. It uses a staggered column magazine and pillar bedding. You can see the empty space for the staggered column magazine. The mag is attached to the action.

The newer stock (lower) is a single stack magazine. The single stack is part of the stock itself.

My 223 was one of the first off the line at Savage and has a staggered magazine. For a while, it did not properly feed the occasional cartridge. It spit the bullet tip up. I don't know if it was because it was new, but it hasn't done this in several hundred shots so I am convinced it was just a part of the break in. My 243 and 308 have the newer, single stack magazines that replaced the staggered column. Feeding repeats with boring regularity.

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Staggered magazine (top) versus single stack (bottom)

The older staggered magazine that was part of my 223 Winchester (top) was fixed to the action. The newer single stacks are affixed to the stock.

In the end, your rifle is a tool. It has to fit properly to be accurate and keep felt recoil tolerable. It has to be able to take any abuse that you or the terrain can dish out. It has to be reliable and well built. If you can get all that at a good price, so much the better. I believe that the Stevens 200 does this, out of the box.

Despite all that, there are shooters that just can't leave things alone. If you're a hopeless tinkerer, Savage actions are much more user friendly for the do it yourself gunsmith. With a little care, you can change barrels, stocks and even replace the trigger in your home workshop.

Re-building your Hot Rod

Here's what I did to my 243 to re-build it. The beauty of the Stevens is that you can make improvements as your wallet allows AND have a working rifle throughout. Spend some time learning about these rifles and you'll be able to do many of the modifications yourself. That means less time in the shop. All prices are in Canadian dollars. If you want to convert the prices to US dollars, reduce the prices by 20%.

My Stevens 200 - 243 Winchester

Stevens 200 rifle - $300
Ken Farrell scope mount* - $75
Burris Signature Vee rings - $50
3-10 Bushnell Elite 3200 scope - $275
Rifle Basix trigger - $100

Total - $800

$800 got me a rifle with an excellent mount, rings and scope. Of course, I could have gone cheaper with the rings and mounts. Weaver bases and rings are only $30-$35. I could have used a Bushnell Legend 3-9 or 4-12 for $150 to $200. That would have brought the build price down to $535. The basic platform is solid but inexpensive however, so spending extra on the glass and mounts is a smart investment.

* Farrell mounts are high quality, steel mounts for Weaver style rings.

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Stevens 200 Aftermarket Triggers
The original Stevens trigger (left). It can be adjusted slightly. You can find websites that describe how to do it. The job is not difficult. A good place to start is www.savageshooters.com . On the right, an after market Timney that I installed in my 223.

More Extras

There is a segment of the Stevens crowd that likes to shoot the moon (if you'll pardon the pun). They change the barrel, recoil lug and stock and end up with a real tack driver. How much you can spend on the stock depends in large measure on the rifle's end use.

For hunting, a Bell & Carlson Duramaxx is fine. For competition or other applications, you could install a McMillan or HS Precision stock. For this example, let's keep the price down and stay with the Duramaxx.

$800 was spent for the first improvements. Let's add some more.

Shilen Barrel - $380
recoil lug - $35
Duramaxx stock - $130

These three additions pump the price up by $545 for a grand total of $1345. You must also consider gunsmithing costs if you cannot do these things yourself. Ask you local shop for a quote.

They are available in a short action 223 Rem, 22-250, 243 Win, 7mm08 and 308 Win.
Long actions - 25-06, 270 Win, 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag.

My latest acquisition:

Action: Short
Caliber: 308 Winchester
Overall Length: 41.75"
Barrel Length: 22"
Weight: 6.5 lbs
Magazine Capacity: 4 rounds
Stock: Gray synthetic with positive checkering, dual pillar bedding
Sights: No sights. Drilled and tapped for scope mounts.

If you know someone that shoots a Stevens 200, please tell them about this page. I'll be adding more about the Stevens in the future.
 
the marlin is a clone of a bunch of stuff. it has a remington bolt handle, a stevens/savage type trigger and barrel nut and a weatherby styled bolt. so if this thing doesnt shoot blame the makers of the copied components. but there is a reason they resemble stevens
 
I am in this "hunt" at the moment too. The Marlin in my opinion is the better buy. As mentioned; better stock, better adjustable accu-type trigger, barrel nut and floating bolt head for improved headspacing just like the Savages, smoother action. The Stevens may be on the market longer but look at how many are for sale. Why are there so many on the EE? There are NO Marlins for sale, period. The accuracy of both seems incredible and equals or betters rifles twice the price or more. At best all one gives up is fit and finish with either. As a true hunting rifle made to be hunted hard either really fits the bill well and any "bruises" will really just be memories and not regrets with these.
 
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