Robinson Arms XCR - restricted with 16" BBL?

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Since I live in windsor close to detroit, I have been looking at picking up an XCR and importing it. I have found the odd gun used for under $1500 US, some with options.

Question is, would it be considered restricted with the 16" BBL and flash hider, or do I need the 18.6" BBL to be unrestricted?

Thanks for the help, I'm a NOOB.

would like the gun for hunting coyotes, and later add a 6.8 BBL for deer.
 
Thanks for the info. I will check with CFC on importing. If anyone has experience with this, let me know.

On the flash hider, do they have to be pinned or welded to be legal? The 18.6" BBL should be legal with the flash hider unscrewed, shouldn't it?

I have seen 2 of these around the $1500 mark with Eotech sights, which I would replace with a good scope. If I sold the sight for $200-$300, I could end up with an XCR for ~$1300 CDN - doesn't this seem well below the market price in canada? Is there a reason more people don't do this?

I have purchased many long guns in the US, register them and bring the paper work for the border, no issues. I wonder if the black rifle would raise a few more eyebrows at customs...
 
DMS1 said:
I wonder if the black rifle would raise a few more eyebrows at customs...
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'Doubt it...

CBSA didn't even look at my black gun... 'Just wanted to see the bill of sale and that it was properly registered...
 
YMMV, but I think anyone who imports a NON-RESTRICTED XCR and turns it into a RESTRICTED configuration should have their #### cut off. :D

If you're happy with restricted regulations, get an AR from within Canada - the XCR can be had non-restricted with non-restricted regulations attached... that's the Shangri-La of black guns, my friend! Don't mess it up! :p :D

-M
 
DMS1 said:
Thanks for the info. I will check with CFC on importing. If anyone has experience with this, let me know.

On the flash hider, do they have to be pinned or welded to be legal? The 18.6" BBL should be legal with the flash hider unscrewed, shouldn't it?

I have seen 2 of these around the $1500 mark with Eotech sights, which I would replace with a good scope. If I sold the sight for $200-$300, I could end up with an XCR for ~$1300 CDN - doesn't this seem well below the market price in canada? Is there a reason more people don't do this?

I have purchased many long guns in the US, register them and bring the paper work for the border, no issues. I wonder if the black rifle would raise a few more eyebrows at customs...
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Flash hiders do not count towards barrel lengths in Canada (welded or otherwise), with maybe the exeption of integral brakes or hiders (ie cut in the actual barrel) but not 100% sure on that.
 
Oh, there may also be issues if the barrel is stamped 5.56mm. Robinson stamps all the rifles we see here in Canada as .223. More silly regulations...
 
Ffynn said:
I am aware. Just pointing out that it'll probably be a requirement for the export of a 16" as well.
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My post was direct towards DMS1's benefit of knowledge as to the reason for the pinned flash hider not being a Canadian requirement, and not towards questionning your knowledge on the matter :D

DMS1 said:
Thanks for the info. I will check with CFC on importing. If anyone has experience with this, let me know.

On the flash hider, do they have to be pinned or welded to be legal? The 18.6" BBL should be legal with the flash hider unscrewed, shouldn't it?

I have seen 2 of these around the $1500 mark with Eotech sights, which I would replace with a good scope. If I sold the sight for $200-$300, I could end up with an XCR for ~$1300 CDN - doesn't this seem well below the market price in canada? Is there a reason more people don't do this?

I have purchased many long guns in the US, register them and bring the paper work for the border, no issues. I wonder if the black rifle would raise a few more eyebrows at customs...
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the fixed stock and pinned flash hider are only recent US export rules, earlier guns had the folding stock and no pinned hider. Robarms will not ship short barrels to Canada to keep non restricted status. I'm not sure how you would register a short barreled XCR in Canada. I don't even know if there is an FRT number for restricted XCR? Anyone know?
 
I am not interested in having a restricted version, only what I could hunt with.

I was curious about the 16" BBL, which I understand, but I do not understand why I see some shotguns with factory 11" BBL that are unrestricted??

Also for export from the US government, how do they know when a used gun is exported? There is no mechanism at the border where they ask you what you are leaving with?

Is the 5.56 stamp on the BBL a canadian restriction, or regarding US export?

Thanks again, you guys are very knowledgeable!
 
DMS1 said:
I was curious about the 16" BBL, which I understand, but I do not understand why I see some shotguns with factory 11" BBL that are unrestricted??
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Shotguns aren't rifles. The rules are different. Rifle barrells must be over 18" to remain non-restricted.
 
DMS1 said:
Thanks for the info. I will check with CFC on importing. If anyone has experience with this, let me know.

On the flash hider, do they have to be pinned or welded to be legal? The 18.6" BBL should be legal with the flash hider unscrewed, shouldn't it?

I have seen 2 of these around the $1500 mark with Eotech sights, which I would replace with a good scope. If I sold the sight for $200-$300, I could end up with an XCR for ~$1300 CDN - doesn't this seem well below the market price in canada? Is there a reason more people don't do this?

I have purchased many long guns in the US, register them and bring the paper work for the border, no issues. I wonder if the black rifle would raise a few more eyebrows at customs...
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It's not nearly as cheap as you think. Firstly, it's expensive to get an export license, several hundred dollars. Secondly, the XCR with a 16" bbl would be restricted. It would cost another ~$500 to have it re-barreled to a non-restricted. Thirdly, I doubt the places that are selling them for $1500 are licensed to export them, even with all of the proper paperwork. Basically, there's a lot of stuff you need to do to import a non-restricted XCR into Canada, and doing all of that stuff is not cheap. AFAIK, there's no demand for 18.6" barrels in the U.S., so any barrels of that length would either have to be a custom job, or be from a special bound for Canada factory run.
 
raks said:
Shotguns aren't rifles. The rules are different. Rifle barrells must be over 18" to remain non-restricted.
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It doesn't matter if it's a shotgun or rifle... the only thing that matters is the action (either semi or manual). To be non-restricted, a semi automatic rifle or shotgun must have a barrel of no less than 18.5". For a manual action firearm, there is no limit to how short a factory made barrel can be; however, the over all length must remain above 26".
 
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raks said:
I guess you really do learn something new every day!
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Glad I could help. :)

And in your defense, the regs are soo frackin poorly written and are really difficult to understand unless you have a degree in librology (the study of understanding liberals and their legislation :p).

You can cut a the barrel of a rifle or shotgun down to not less than 18" without it becoming prohibited, so you were right to a degree.
 
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