CZ-858 questions....trying to close in on a purchase decision

It's like the difference between a Kia Sportage and a Range Rover. :D Some people love a bargain and some want the best, decide what you want and buy it. Like others have said, buy one, and if you don't like it sell it, you won't lose much $$.
 
My front sight is almost all the way to the right, but does it matter? The gun is sighted in and will not change. The main point with the front sight is if it is to far out of alignment you will not be able to sight in the gun. If this happens take it back.
 
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I bought mine on EE with 500 rnds through it and a $140 fab stock and 6 mags for $800. Parts aside thats about $600-625 for the firearms.

I didn't expect to get this much of a response :D. Thanks to everybody who has posted so far! After reading all of them my stance has changed quite a bit lol. I have eliminated, or am at least able to justify the following concerns:


1. Gremlin... Doesn't sound like that big a deal really, and if it DOES happen, $30 is quite cheap to permanently fix it.... especially considering I can ship JUST the carrier to Neit Arms or Rauch Tactical, and not the entire rifle.


2. Non-chrome lined bore... This doesn't seem nearly as bad as I anticipated or read. Some people on a few of the other forums were making it sound like if you didn't flush out the barrel within 0.001 milliseconds of the bullet leaving that it would rust severely. I think if Dave at Neit Arms can put 60,000+ rounds down his NCL barrel I should be fine.


3. Accuracy... 3"-4" groups at 100yds sounds great to me, considering that's what my dad and I were getting with his Norc M14 using surplus. Anything better would be icing on the cake.


4. Made from refurbished parts... this was on CZ's site

"The new Tactical and Military Sporter models are manufactured by combining original Sa vz. 58 components with a new semi-auto only milled receiver, a new trigger mechanism and new fire control parts."

I still don't know what to make of this. It's clear that some original parts were used to build the rifle... but whether they were brand new/unused parts or not is still unclear and I have had no luck searching the net so far. This is really the only real concern I have left, so if anyone who knows if the original FA parts are brand new/unused I would appreciate any info you can offer. But I mean, aside from the barrel, reciever, and furniture which are all new, it seems that aside from the trigger group, there would only be a few small parts that would be from the original FA guns... doesn't seem like that big a deal.


5. Quirks... none mentioned so far which sounds promising. More than likely the ones I read about were isolated cases which aren't too common.



I also have a few more quick questions :redface:...

- pizdets17 brought up resale value which is a good point. Say I buy it, and after a bit I decide it's not for me. Considering I am meticulous in caring for my guns, and would be leaving them 100% stock/unaltered...what would be reasonable to expect for resale value with a round count say under 500?

- fat tony mentioned getting one with the front sight skewed far to one side. Tony did you mean drifted to one side and wasn't sighted in properly? In which case all you need to do is bring it back near center and it was sighted? Or did you mean the entire front sight assembly was canted (rotated away from 12 o'clock) on the barrel? Has anyone recieved a rifle with the front sight canted like many/most Norinco M14s?


:eek: That's about all I can think of for now. It's looking good though. Like I said, this thread has put to rest the majority of concerns that were holding me back from buying one.

Thanks again!!
 
Considering I am meticulous in caring for my guns, and would be leaving them 100% stock/unaltered...what would be reasonable to expect for resale value with a round count say under 500?QUOTE]

It's a buyer's market now with lower gun and ammo prices than a year ago, mainly from the bad economy. Since there is no sure way to verify how many rounds have been put through a firearm, it's up to the buyer's discretion. I'd say resale today of a 'like new' gun is 25-30% less than you paid for it, if you can get it from an individual. Gun stores and pawn shops will offer you much less.

As the car dealer said, "this baby was only driven by a little old lady to church and back." Let the buyer beware.
 
You live in a dream world. Find me an 858 that is not beat to #### for 30% less than the $699 price tag and Ill buy two of them. You obviously need to check EE again. Things that are even 15-20% cheaper than new get sold in less than 5-10 minutes. Some people are asking (and getting) the same price as new but with shipping included. Go to your local gun dealer and ask for some of the more popular guns and see what their stock is like. Usually its "i don't have any, and I don't know when they are coming". But feel free to let me know about any guns out there than have less than 500 rounds through them and sell for 30% less than new. Its been about two weeks since I've bought a firearm, I'm getting an itch..Would like a Norico 1911. Lets see $325 new, minus 30%= $227!! I'll take it!

Considering I am meticulous in caring for my guns, and would be leaving them 100% stock/unaltered...what would be reasonable to expect for resale value with a round count say under 500?QUOTE]

It's a buyer's market now with lower gun and ammo prices than a year ago, mainly from the bad economy. Since there is no sure way to verify how many rounds have been put through a firearm, it's up to the buyer's discretion. I'd say resale today of a 'like new' gun is 25-30% less than you paid for it, if you can get it from an individual. Gun stores and pawn shops will offer you much less.

As the car dealer said, "this baby was only driven by a little old lady to church and back." Let the buyer beware.
 
You live in a dream world. Find me an 858 that is not beat to s**t for 30% less than the $699 price tag and Ill buy two of them. You obviously need to check EE again. Things that are even 15-20% cheaper than new get sold in less than 5-10 minutes. Some people are asking (and getting) the same price as new but with shipping included. Go to your local gun dealer and ask for some of the more popular guns and see what their stock is like. Usually its "i don't have any, and I don't know when they are coming". But feel free to let me know about any guns out there than have less than 500 rounds through them and sell for 30% less than new. Its been about two weeks since I've bought a firearm, I'm getting an itch..Would like a Norico 1911. Lets see $325 new, minus 30%= $227!! I'll take it!


I agree, there is no way you are going to find an 858 for that cheap.
 
The CZ surplus SEEMS to be specifically made for this rifle, it sucks ass for accuracy in my SKS anyways, and shot quite well in my CZ-858


I shoot CZ surplus in my SKS all the time. Never had a problem.

But to answer the OP's question, The CZ-858 is a great rifle. I used to own one.
But I would personally recommend getting a SKS. Its about 1/3 the price and you can dress them up in a new stock and convert it to a detachable mag.

I never experienced the gremlin in mine. I don't think I ever heard a "click" when i was expecting a "bang"(I know with the gremlin you don't hear a click but i'm sure you get what i mean)

I fired around 1300 rounds thru mine before I traded it. never saw a speck of rust.

The main downside for me is with the non chrome lined bore its a real b!tch to clean out. I've heard pouring boiling water down the barrel followed up with patches works wonders.


I did like my CZ-858 but I didn't need two rifles that shoot 7.62X39 so i traded it for a G22.
 
I put mine through it's paces today and got the barrel hot enough to bubble the paint...

I must say it is a throughly enjoyable rifle to shoot and I really love it. I'm for sure putting my m14 up for sale... just too lazy to take some pictures.
 
so sorry.

You live in a dream world. Find me an 858 that is not beat to s**t for 30% less than the $699 price tag and Ill buy two of them. You obviously need to check EE again. Things that are even 15-20% cheaper than new get sold in less than 5-10 minutes. Some people are asking (and getting) the same price as new but with shipping included. Go to your local gun dealer and ask for some of the more popular guns and see what their stock is like. Usually its "i don't have any, and I don't know when they are coming". But feel free to let me know about any guns out there than have less than 500 rounds through them and sell for 30% less than new. Its been about two weeks since I've bought a firearm, I'm getting an itch..Would like a Norico 1911. Lets see $325 new, minus 30%= $227!! I'll take it!

Sorry to get your panties on a wad. (Yes, I live in a dream world of the good old USA.) And just after I said good things about your forum on The CZ Forum last week. I was just trying to be helpful. But you already knew better.

I didn't consider how restrictive Canada is on firearms and that demand for guns may be very different, despite our similar dollar values and co-dependent economies. I should not have offered advice on gun prices when I have not, nor will likely ever shop for a gun in Canada. At least I can still get VZ58 accessories from Canadian firms. I apologize if I upset you.

Look at gunbroker.com for the weekly auction from Colorado for a VZ2008. It starts at $515 shipped and is brand new. (Auction # 160936352) I'll bet it doesn't even sell and they relist it. Same as a 858, but with high capacity mags to boot. The suggested retail for the gun from Century is $700, but local shops sometimes try to get $800 for them from unsuspecting pogues. Now how many would you like? Oh, wait, they don't ship internationally. Too bad. And here you were all ready to buy two of them, at least. Or was that just more cheap talk?

Look on forums like ar15, gunboards, akfiles and akforum. People sell they're guns cheap because they need the cash now. The national unemployment level is nearly 10%. But we can't ship them to you and I can't buy a CZ-858, even if I wanted one. I've seen lots of VZ58's offered up for sale on forums for very low prices and with lots of extras in the last year. You don't have to believe me though, or that my guns have low round counts either. Do your own research, even if you can’t own them.

Sounds like you have a shortage of available guns at good prices and we have a glut. But then we also have widespread concealed carry laws and fun things like high capacity mags. And more guns are manufactured here than in Canada.

There's no reason to hope for high prices for my guns online or locally when the market is flooded with cheap guns. Even CZ and Czechpoint guns can be bought new on gunbroker for far less than retail. Take what you can get, I guess.
 
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I did like my CZ-858 but I didn't need two rifles that shoot 7.62X39 so i traded it for a G22.

im the opposite, that was one reason why i got the cz858 so i didnt have to buy and store another type of ammo .

i got rid of all my 7.62x51 nato.
 
I'll take my expensive guns and free healthcare.

You live in a dream world. Find me an 858 that is not beat to s**t for 30% less than the $699 price tag and Ill buy two of them. You obviously need to check EE again. Things that are even 15-20% cheaper than new get sold in less than 5-10 minutes. Some people are asking (and getting) the same price as new but with shipping included. Go to your local gun dealer and ask for some of the more popular guns and see what their stock is like. Usually its "i don't have any, and I don't know when they are coming". But feel free to let me know about any guns out there than have less than 500 rounds through them and sell for 30% less than new. Its been about two weeks since I've bought a firearm, I'm getting an itch..Would like a Norico 1911. Lets see $325 new, minus 30%= $227!! I'll take it!

Sorry to get your panties on a wad. (Yes, I live in a dream world of the good old USA.) And just after I said good things about your forum on The CZ Forum last week. I was just trying to be helpful. But you already knew better.

I didn't consider how restrictive Canada is on firearms and that demand for guns may be very different, despite our similar dollar values and co-dependent economies. I should not have offered advice on gun prices when I have not, nor will likely ever shop for a gun in Canada. At least I can still get VZ58 accessoreis from Canadian firms. I apologize if I upset you.

Look at gunbroker.com for the weekly auction from Colorado for a VZ2008. It starts at $515 shipped and is brand new. (Auction # 160936352) I'll bet it doesn't even sell and they relist it. Same as a 585, but with high capacity mags to boot. The suggested retail for the gun from Century is $700, but local shops sometimes try to get $800 for them from unsuspecting pogues. Now how many would you like? Oh, wait, they don't ship internationally. Too bad. And here you were all ready to buy two of them, at least. Or was that just more cheap talk?

Look on forums like ar15, gunboards, akfiles and akforum. People sell they're guns cheap because they need the cash now. The national unemployment level is nearly 10%. But we can't ship them to you and I can't buy a CZ-858, even if I wanted one. I've seen lots of VZ58's offered up for sale on forums for very low prices and with lots of extras in the last year. You don't have to believe me though, or that my guns have low round counts either. Do your own research, even if you can’t own them.

Sounds like you have a shortage of available guns at good prices and we have a glut. But then we also have widespread concealed carry laws and fun things like high capacity mags. And more guns are manufactured here than in Canada.

There's no reason to hope for high prices for my guns online or locally when the market is flooded with cheap guns. Even CZ and Czechpoint guns can be bought new on gunbroker for far less than retail. Take what you can get, I guess.
 
I put mine through it's paces today and got the barrel hot enough to bubble the paint...QUOTE]

Seriously? The paint actually bubbled from the heat? That's not very enticing lol Nor does the rifle developing chips in the paint :( I thought it was more of an enamel.
 
I put mine through it's paces today and got the barrel hot enough to bubble the paint...

Seriously? The paint actually bubbled from the heat? That's not very enticing lol Nor does the rifle developing chips in the paint :( I thought it was more of an enamel.


We had 8 magazines and I had two people reloading mags for me, and kept shooting until the handguard was smoldering with oil oozing out. I would estimate 120-150 rounds rapid fire with the only pauses to change magazines that were handed to me. I wanted to see if when I "worked" the rifle hard for a zombie situation if it would melt the lacquer off the casings and rip a case head off. Instead I had zero problems with the rifle, and after a cool down period the rifle was still shooting beautifully. Also it was shooting very very well when hot, I was concentrating my fire fairly well on my target.

As far as I see it, burning the paint off the barrel was just an excuse for me to send it off to Rauch Tactical to have the barrel lined and the parts coated.

I wouldn't hesitate the sling this rifle on my back as my emergency firearm, and in fact it has been upgraded to my truck gun, taking that honor away from my winchester 94.

From brand new to cooked paint and +500 rounds and my M14 is in the EE.
 
Ah ok lol That IS pretty rapid, moreso than anything I would be doing. I am reading about a number of people who are ditching their M14's for this rifle, which is I guess a pretty strong argument in it's favour. I understand why though.... I do love the M14, but for me the recoil can leave you a bit sore after a day of shooting, and surplus ammo is very rare and just too expensive nowadays.

Has anyone besides Fat Tony found that their front site assembly was rotated away in either direction from the center 12 o'clock position?
 
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