Defense against BEARS.

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At the turn of the last Century a Grizzly was killed in the Wyoming Territory. The Territorial Government posted a $10,000 in gold reward for this bear. It terrorized the countryside for twenty years before the reward was claimed. When it was finally brought in, it was learned that: It had over a hundred rifle bullets in its body. Besides the kill shot (a .30-40 Krag slug between the ears) it had five different medium and large bore pistol bullets lodged in the brain. None of them had killed it. All five had been fired into the brain from the bottom of its head. Those hunters never came back, along with a great many others.:eek:

What kind of fire power would you carry if you were concerned that a simalier grizzly was in the vicinity of your camp site.
Bare in mind this is based on a surprise attack by a bear, not simply shooting it from 200 yards from a hunters hide. The following are some I have selected. However don’t feel the need to read all that I have posted here just post a Non-restricted firearm you would select. bonis points if you own that firearm.R:d:

-I think a can of pepper spray couldn’t hurt as a back up, but does that stuff really work on a big mean pissed off bear? And what are the chances of a malfunction in the operation of the can?

-Mossberg 590 pump shotgun, with a 20 inch barrel and a 9 shot capacity.
But what would be the better load, slugs, or 000-buckshot? (ten 9mm brass coated led core pellets.) Slugs would hit harder and penitrate deeper, but 000 buck would give you a better chance of scoring a hit on a sweet spot. (throut, eyes, upper spinal cord.) This is probibly the one I would select, but i dont own one yet.:shotgun:

-.300 Winchester magnum. bolt action rifle. Sure a .375 H&H mag would be better but you cant commonly find them with a 7-10 round detachable box mag.:sniper:

-.308 Springfield M1A, semi auto with a five shot quick detachable mag. This could give you the advantage of not having to shift your aim point to manually operate your weapon, allowing you to cluster your shots.:50cal:

-.223 rem. Tavor TAR 21, loaded with 62 grain M-855 tungsten core penetrators. This offers the opportunity to spray 10 rapid shots of light armor piercing rounds, along with a very quick reload. Basically spray and pray at its best.:ar15:
(I own this rifle, but I'm not so sure I would select it. AlsoI dont even know if you can get M-855 in canada.)

F.Y.I. I don't know where this bear story originated, its an internet oldy. It has been posted and reposted many times on many forums, but its always worded exactly the same, except I added, "and a great many others." to the end. Normally it says, "I'll leave their possable fate to your immagination." but that is almost always led to refernce to their fate being some sort of ###ual encounter with the bear.:adult: weather ithe storys true or not, I have no idea, but I do like the story in any case.:)
 
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If all the bear defence threads were linked together I wonder how far they would stretch?

Always a good read. :)
 
-.300 Winchester magnum. bolt action rifle. Sure a .375 H&H mag would be better but you cant commonly find them with a 7-10 round detachable box mag.:sniper:

How many rounds do you think you get off under stress while being charged by a Grizzly.....probably under 7-10.........

Not that bolt guns chambered in 300 WM are all that common with 7-10 round mags.


If I had to pick something I owned then I would go to a 338 WM loaded with 250 grain Partitions.
 
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The studies have been done. Unless you have a chain gun:) The fire extinguisher sized bear spray is the best bet. Just replace it when it's expired and get a good holster. It would'nt hurt to have a compact shotgun for the follow up though...........
 
The shotgun in my opinion. I was always in the 45-70 camp until I seen what damage a properly choked scattergun can do up close. Alternate between #4 and 00 buck and then change your shorts....:D.
 
My wife cooked for tree planters through university, and she had numerous friends attacked by grizzly bears during that time. Best defense? Definitely bear spray. A shot gun for back up would not hurt.

One example story, a checker (job is to check to make sure the trees are planted correctly, kinda like an audit, and they usually work alone after the blocks have been planted), was stalked by a grizzly. It charged, and she sprayed with a large can of bear spray, and started running for the truck.

The bear was stunned, and paused, shaking it's head from side to side while she ran as fast as she could to the truck. It started after her again, charging and catching up quickly.

She sprayed again, getting it full in the face. Again the bear stopped, stunned, shaking from side to side from the bear spray. Again she ran for the truck.

Once more, the bear caught up to her and she sprayed it, then still ran for the truck. Luckily, she made it in time and was able to drive away.

Personally, I think carrying a short non-res shotgun would have been a good idea. My own shotgun (moss 590A2) carries (in order of being loaded to chamber if you had to shoot) Slug-slug-shot-slug-shot-slug-shot-shot. I also carry bearspray, and if I had to bearspray a bear and a car wasn't VERY close, I would shoot it.

Oh, and the checker quit, became a baker in tree planting camps, and had nightmares of bear attacks for years afterwards.
 
What I carry works, and I have a number of guns that I carry, subject to conditions and my mood at the moment. These include, in no particular order:

Mossberg 590 loaded with Brenneke slugs
Custom Brno 602 in .375 Ultra loaded with 380 gr Rhino bullets
Brno ZG-47 .30/06 loaded with 240 gr Woodleighs
Husqvarna 1600 carbine (1:12) loaded with 180 gr TSX (my wife's rifle)
Ruger Vaquero 45/8" .44 magnum loaded with MT Chambers 325 gr WFN hard cast bullets (my ATC gun).
 
I carry a shotgun and a can of bearspray. Your gun can jam or be knocked out of your hand. It is always best to have a backup.
 
Interesting question. First, I don't think I would camp in an area where there were big ol' Grizzlies in the vicinity, but if I had too and there might be a chance of a run in, well...

1) .50 BMG and a case of Redbull to keep me and my gang up all night.

I'm from Ontario and we fortunetly don't have the big grizz, only black bear. I camp/fish in Algonquin park for a week at a time, a few times per year and carry pepper spray. Don't know how much I trust it's effectiveness, worked ok on a racoon (heehee) but can't comment on the effects with a bear. But because I can't bring in my .44mag, I hope for the best with the spray. When I camp/fish on crown land I bring my Winchester Defender loaded with a slug and buckshot mix. (8 rounds). If I had a menacing bear, it wouldn't stand a chance...I hope. I wouldn't want a semi, cause' you know that's when it would jam. My second choice out of my guns would be my lever actions, 30-30 or .44mag. Lots of rounds in the tube mag and never a jam. Ultimately, if I could buy a good backup bear gun, it would be te 450 marlin lever. IMO, the backup bear gun is a short and light, big bullet, big capacity gun that will work in all weather conditions, doesn't have to be babied and will work easily under high stress.

Just my 2 cents.

;)
 
A Tavor would not be the ideal bear defence gun. A .223 is not a sufficient cartrige for bear. The M14 a bit cumbersome and you can only have 5 round mags. The bolt action 300 would have small mag capacities(3-4 rounds) and cycling a bolt would be a draw back in a serious situation.

The Mossberg 12 ga pump would be your best bet. You get a large mag capacity, the gun is smaller and easier to carry out there, pumps are fast and easy to cycle, and 12ga buckshot or slugs would take a bear down no problem
 
on many forums hunters worry to much about caliber size, power etc,hunter must believ himself and be confident in upcoming moment of bear attack, trust me in grizzy country even 375 h&h feels small, those bears are huge as dodge caravan,i would worry most about shot placement ,if is correct u are saved,any 375 470 nitro wont save u from bad placed shot,in term of bear atack everything is happening so fast ,that sometimes even most experienced hunters loose their lives,in a close range nothing is better than double rifle,i would fight a bear with double rifle any day over a bolt action
 
if you shift your point of impact with a SHOTGUN , you're not doing it RIGHT anyway- the shotgun or any other gun for that matter SHOULD REMAIN MOUNTED TO THE SHOULDER while your weak hand WORKS THE ACTION if need be- i don't know where this idea of mounting/dismounting between shots comes from , but it is sure a stupid one- once it's mounted, all 5 or however you're doing should cluster, preferbaly in a 1 inch or smaller circle
 
My wife cooked for tree planters through university, and she had numerous friends attacked by grizzly bears during that time. Best defense? Definitely bear spray. A shot gun for back up would not hurt.

One example story, a checker (job is to check to make sure the trees are planted correctly, kinda like an audit, and they usually work alone after the blocks have been planted), was stalked by a grizzly. It charged, and she sprayed with a large can of bear spray, and started running for the truck.

The bear was stunned, and paused, shaking it's head from side to side while she ran as fast as she could to the truck. It started after her again, charging and catching up quickly.

She sprayed again, getting it full in the face. Again the bear stopped, stunned, shaking from side to side from the bear spray. Again she ran for the truck.

Once more, the bear caught up to her and she sprayed it, then still ran for the truck. Luckily, she made it in time and was able to drive away.

Personally, I think carrying a short non-res shotgun would have been a good idea. My own shotgun (moss 590A2) carries (in order of being loaded to chamber if you had to shoot) Slug-slug-shot-slug-shot-slug-shot-shot. I also carry bearspray, and if I had to bearspray a bear and a car wasn't VERY close, I would shoot it.

Oh, and the checker quit, became a baker in tree planting camps, and had nightmares of bear attacks for years afterwards.

Gotta say that this story inspires ZERO confidence in bear spray. Yeah it stopped and she ran...but it kept coming TWO MORE TIMES?!?!?!? That just shows that the bear spray barely deterred the animal and when it did it was only for a few seconds. I know what I won't be carrying for defense from now on.
 
The poodle is the worst thing you can do. The poodle runs upto the bear, the bear gives chase. The poodle then hides behind you for protection. Happens every time.
 
At the turn of the last Century a Grizzly was killed in the Wyoming Territory. The Territorial Government posted a $10,000 in gold reward for this bear. It terrorized the countryside for twenty years before the reward was claimed. When it was finally brought in, it was learned that: It had over a hundred rifle bullets in its body. Besides the kill shot (a .30-40 Krag slug between the ears) it had five different medium and large bore pistol bullets lodged in the brain. None of them had killed it. All five had been fired into the brain from the bottom of its head. Those hunters never came back, along with a great many others.:eek:

What kind of fire power would you carry if you were concerned that a simalier grizzly was in the vicinity of your camp site.
Bare in mind this is based on a surprise attack by a bear, not simply shooting it from 200 yards from a hunters hide. The following are some I have selected. However don’t feel the need to read all that I have posted here just post a Non-restricted firearm you would select. bonis points if you own that firearm.R:d:

-I think a can of pepper spray couldn’t hurt as a back up, but does that stuff really work on a big mean pissed off bear? And what are the chances of a malfunction in the operation of the can?

-Mossberg 590 pump shotgun, with a 20 inch barrel and a 9 shot capacity.
But what would be the better load, slugs, or 000-buckshot? (ten 9mm brass coated led core pellets.) Slugs would hit harder and penitrate deeper, but 000 buck would give you a better chance of scoring a hit on a sweet spot. (throut, eyes, upper spinal cord.) This is probibly the one I would select, but i dont own one yet.:shotgun:

-.300 Winchester magnum. bolt action rifle. Sure a .375 H&H mag would be better but you cant commonly find them with a 7-10 round detachable box mag.:sniper:

-.308 Springfield M1A, semi auto with a five shot quick detachable mag. This could give you the advantage of not having to shift your aim point to manually operate your weapon, allowing you to cluster your shots.:50cal:

-.223 rem. Tavor TAR 21, loaded with 62 grain M-855 tungsten core penetrators. This offers the opportunity to spray 10 rapid shots of light armor piercing rounds, along with a very quick reload. Basically spray and pray at its best.:ar15:
(I own this rifle, but I'm not so sure I would select it. AlsoI dont even know if you can get M-855 in canada.)
LOL best fairy tale I've read in a while!
 
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