Defense against BEARS.

the original story is just a repeat of one I heard, I don’t know its back ground, and heard it through a bear thread just like you, however the following story is a true account.
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I noted a lot of heavy caliber rifles, And I don’t disagree entirely, but my dad went hunting with three other friends in B.C. some years back, they encountered the very large black bear they had been stocking: With two .300 Win mags, one .338 win mag, and my dad with a .416 rem. mag. The charging bear took a total of 12 hits, the first 11 were totally ineffective, except for the 12th and final luckily shot, fired by a .300 win mag. that hit the jugular. killing the bear. Glen Douglas was the man with the bear tag, he won a trophy for his kill, it was the second largest black bear taken in B.C. up to that date. The largest was also taken that year, it was bigger than a small grizzly, or so I heard.

Basically big guns are a credit no doubt, but if you miss the sweet spot they dont seem to do quite so well as you might think, or so I've heard. (yeah, like I have a lot of expirence in this matter:jerkit:)That’s why I would go with the 12 gauge, or even the .300 Winchester magnum, and yes they do come with 7-10 round detachable mags, note: most that do are tactical sniper rifles not hunting rifles. and you can cycle rounds quite quickly 1.2 every two seconds. (that is: if your not too busy craping your pants.:ninja:

My primary objective would be a mass of fire, with a round strong enough to penetrate a bears spine, the spine is the thickest and hardest bone matter in all our body’s, if it takes a hit it often shatters even large cal. bullets, and a grizzly’s skull is so thick it can deflect most rifle rounds up to .416 or .458 rem. mag. (this is most often due to angle of impact not the shear thickness.)But in the case of the spine, they often still penitrate and break the spine, and hit so hard it does shock damage, when put together, this damage can kill the animal instantly. But you have to hit the right spot, preferably upper spine, (the closer to the skull the better) or else it may not matter what caliber your useing, short of a .50BMG. Which hits with no less than 25,000 foot lbs of energy. 4.5x what a .458 rem.mag. hits with. However most all Fifty's weigh in at 25-30 lbs unloaded. Are you really going to carry that around with you?? thats like packing a large TV set made in the early 60's!:bangHead:
 
You know, I've seen a lot of 'bear defense' threads and suggestions in my time here on CGN...

I'd like to propose a "Defense against Bear Defense Threads" thread.

What would you use if you had to defend yourself against a bear defense thread?

Personally, I would use satire ;).

-M
 
What would you use if you had to defend yourself against a bear defense thread?
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You can't, they are like a terminator, THEY JUST KEEP COMMING, we do not yet posses the future technology required to stop these threads, short of a rocket propelled engine block.:eek: HEEEYYY, that would work to stop a bear. But is it non restricted in Canada??
This just in: As of this posting, laws now being made as we speak. “ To make prohibited, the weapon know as ‘The rocket propelled engine block’ and all its variants, for civilian use in the following: For stopping bear, or for stopping bear defense threads…”
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Hahaha, well said M1!

For my money, btw, when I'm tenting I have a pistol-grip Mossberg 12 Ga next to me with 5 slugs in it. Is it the best thing in the world? Well, others might argue that it's not. But for my money, for maneuvering in a tent (while in a sleeping bag), you can't beat that short shotty. It's not just about stopping power, it's about making sure you can get the "business end" pointed at whatever is attacking you - having a 28" barreled 338 Lapua isn't going to help you if you can't get it pointed in the right direction.

Now, if it's for "walking around in the bush", I still like the Mossy... but only because I've already got it handy for the tent. I say take whatever rifle/shotgun you have and can shoot accurately in a rapid-fire stress situation.

-M
 
Doc M, Yeah I'd go with a shotty myself, what other gun delivers 1-1/4 ounce of 000 buck. hitting with near 3000 ft lbs of energy at point blank, its good in panic situations, its cheap, compact, light and effective, and coupled with bear spray on the open wounds, should get the desired effect.
 
Kevin M. said:
I am surprised nobody has mentioned the M1- Garand. Semi automatic fire, with more powerful rounds and a higher capacity then other semis.

Solid, heavy hitting rounds, especially with hollow point ammunition, a legal capacity of eight rounds, and in a semi automatic rifle.

The ability to put eight powerful rifle rounds downrange in the time it takes a bolt action or lever action to fire two rounds is a strong argument in favor of it.
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I would have said the M1, but it's not that common a firearm to find these days (or affordable).

But yes for sure the M1 would be on my list if I was in Big Bear country.
 
Calum, I picked up an issue of a 2010 gun catalog, it had a posting in it from Springfield armory, for brand new M-1 Garands for 1500 dollars U.S, but strangly their web sight has no such posting. I hope it was not a missprint, I want one of those pingers.
 
Calum said:
I would have said the M1, but it's not that common a firearm to find these days (or affordable).

But yes for sure the M1 would be on my list if I was in Big Bear country.
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I can agree with this 100%, outside of my tent. But trying to maneuver that big boomstick in tight quarters would be a bit of a nightmare IMO.

Walking out and about, however, it's hard to argue with 8 rounds of 30-06 in a fast-reloading platform...

-M
 
I've read and heard that buckshot is useless. Personal experience seems to indicate same.

1. Bangers
2. Spray
3. Slugs or some rifle .308 or bigger.

Who the hell runs into bears so often? I've seen many and most of the time wasn't armed. Even that moron took years hanging around grizzlies until he got eaten by one. If you're working in bear country I can see being careful, but the average walk in the woods seems hardly worth worrying about.

I'll bet there's a huge distortion in statistical probability here, but it seems to sell guns.

I choose an ATC for an M30 grenade launcher. You might only get one good shot anyhow, and it would be a heck of a lot of fun the other 99.998% of the time. :D
 
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Calum, I picked up an issue of a 2010 gun catalog, it had a posting in it from Springfield armory, for brand new M-1 Garands for 1500 dollars U.S, but strangly their web sight has no such posting. I hope it was not a missprint, I want one of those pingers.
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that's b/c , in the states, they have a thing down there called the cmp- civilain marksmanship program, which sells various grade m1 garands, m1 carbines and some other stuff for much cheaper than we get it for - unless you INSIST on getting a BRAND NEW gun, most people go through the cmp- it's a pity our government wasn't so enlightened
 
thebigslide said:
I carry an 1895 guide gun when I'm in the mountains or foothils. In a real bear attack situation, if you are standing your ground, you will never have a chance for more than 1 MAYBE 2 shots. A shotgun slug will not penetrate the skull of a brown bear. The idea in using a gun in a bear attack is not to wound the animal but to drop it dead. A penetrative round is necessary to accomplish this. Any old single shot in any of the hard hitting rounds would work fine too.

I'd never bring a shotgun. Like I said above, slugs are useless and even OOO buck probably won't do enough damage to stop a brown bear dead. Do you really want to be chased by a pissed off brown bear?
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Really??? Huh - those slugs must be made from marshmallow...:eek: Shake your head.:jerkit:
 
t-star said:
that's b/c , in the states, they have a thing down there called the cmp- civilain marksmanship program, which sells various grade m1 garands, m1 carbines and some other stuff for much cheaper than we get it for - unless you INSIST on getting a BRAND NEW gun, most people go through the cmp- it's a pity our government wasn't so enlightened
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CMP guns don't come from Springfield Armoury, they come from the DCM...
 
thebigslide said:
I carry an 1895 guide gun when I'm in the mountains or foothils. In a real bear attack situation, if you are standing your ground, you will never have a chance for more than 1 MAYBE 2 shots. A shotgun slug will not penetrate the skull of a brown bear. The idea in using a gun in a bear attack is not to wound the animal but to drop it dead. A penetrative round is necessary to accomplish this. Any old single shot in any of the hard hitting rounds would work fine too.

I'd never bring a shotgun. Like I said above, slugs are useless and even OOO buck probably won't do enough damage to stop a brown bear dead. Do you really want to be chased by a pissed off brown bear?
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A bear will never chase me, because to be chased means that I'm running, and I won't run from them. Some of your post I agree with, the part about only being able to get off one or two good shots in a dangerous bear encounter is correct. But to suggest that a 12 ga slug is useless brings your experience into question. To suggest that buckshot might penetrate better than a slug removes any doubt.

Stopping a bear means you have to turn off his brain or break a big bone to stop his forward mobility. Shooting a bear in the chest is not a stopping shot regardless of how big your gun is, or how deeply your bullet penetrates. A bear cannot hurt you if he cannot touch you, so there is little justification in shooting early. But if you do find yourself in a dangerous situation, you need a plan. Is the bear really dangerous? Why is he approaching? Is he just curious or did I infringe on his personal space? Does his behavior suggest he is predatory? Do I have a chance to escape? If not, at what distance will I shoot? Where will I aim? Who else might be in danger? Are there cubs? If so, are they big enough to be dangerous? If so what will I do about them? All of these considerations must be answered before the action starts, or things are going to go badly.
 
Doc M said:
I can agree with this 100%, outside of my tent. But trying to maneuver that big boomstick in tight quarters would be a bit of a nightmare IMO.

-M
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Very true, mind you I'd never sleep in a tent in Big Bear country...I'd sleep in the truck. :D
 
Remington 870 express w/ pistol grip and short barrel firing 3" slugs... shoot from the hip and easy to crank off 3 or 4 while in full flight; if you can fumble it out of the scabbord on your back.
 
Boomer I like your logic but you deflated 6 pages of fantasy reading oh well I'm sure it will all start again . Yes the bear threads just won't die .
 
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