"Carbine Williams"

He also "carbineized" the Remington Model 8 rifle
(not a small feat if you know how these guns work)


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Mr. Williams

Credit due for coming up with the "floating chamber" concept for sure, but "inventing" the .30 Carbine?Winchester people there; sorry,,,,,,Pay little or no attention at all to either Hollyweird or wikipedia. Neither have more than a passing acquaintance with either the truth or reality...

snowhunter said:
David Marshall Williams, aka "Carbine Williams", invented the M 1 carbine and the floating chamber copied by many arms makers. Also got himself expelled from the US Navy :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Marshall_Williams
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Williams invented the short-stroke gas system that went into the Carbine, but Williams had nothing to do with 'inventing' the Carbine.
 
sunray said:
Williams invented the short-stroke gas system that went into the Carbine, but Williams had nothing to do with 'inventing' the Carbine.
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The documents I've seen quoted that are now available actually show that Winchester persevered against resistance by Williams.

I'm sure that the Winchester executives, engineers and model makers must have been choked beyond belief at making Williams the "hero" of the movie...
 
"...Winchester persevered against resistance by Williams..." Williams was paid a big pile of money for the short stroke patent. Have the figure around here some place. Six figures though. Astronomical amount for the time.
Winchester hadn't put a carbine into the 1941 trials. They had been working on a 7.5 lb .30-06 using the short stroke. the U.S Ordnance Board ask them to submit a sample carbine. Took the Winchester design team, sans Williams, 13 days to do it. 34 days, working around the clock, for a second, perfected model.
 
I find it interesting that "Carbine Williams" created his most important firearms patents, while being an inmate at a U.S. prison camp (for murder), using scrap metal, old car axels, shaped into firearms parts he invented, using only hand tools, with the full blessings of an understanding and supportive prison camp superintendent.

Also interesting is the fact that the US Navy expelled "Carbine Williams", who, after he got expelled, in turn created a gun, the M 1 carbine, in which, among others, the US Navy and Marines, bought over 8 million examples of his carbine.

After his parole, "Carbine Williams" also became an honorary sheriff in many counties of his homestate, and thus got away with abusive use of his 1911, which he, among others, would fire into a bars ceiling, while drunk.
 
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