I'm a soldier buying my first rifle. (advice from XCR owners please)

I'm joking, of course. They are just 5.56 chambers.

But there are other proprietary .223 chambers that accept 5.56 like Noveske's and I'm sure there are others.
 
I think the 5.56 vs 223 issue is over analyzed. If you ever run into a problem, send it to Armeast to have it reamed. However, I highly doubt you will ever encounter that issue. If I am a manufacturer standing from a risk management standpoint, I will use a chamber that is good for both 5.56 and 223 - for simple liability issue.

What do you think the lawyer in Bushmaster and S&W will suggest? The answer is obvious.

The stamping is .223....but hell, what is it more important - a stamping or a liability lawsuit?
 
crashcollins said:
New XCR's (...) marked 223 Rem, but I believe it is a 5.56 chamber, it is marked so because US will not always allow the export of 5.56 marked rifles. (...)
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So you're saying Robinson is intentionally attempting to circumvent US export controls by misrepresenting their product? :confused:

Savage said:
The chamber is.223 not 5.56 it is ilegal to export a firearm that is chambered in 5.56mm or .223 Wylde
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What.

hbean said:
XCR are chambered in 5.56, domestic models are marked as 5.56/.223 but export models are marked as .223 only, to be compliant with US Dept regulations, It has been confirmed by XCRmonger from Robinson Arms on several occasions. :)
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Really? Could you post a link to this? I'm not even kidding I would very much like to read this.

Savage said:
Then RA is not in compilance with US State Dept regulations regarding the export of 5.56 rifles
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So what exactly does this regulation say and where can I find it?

crashcollins said:
It's impossible for me to try to export a 5.56 firearm out of the US but every so often the US does allow a shipment of 5.56 marked rifles out to Canadian distributors. Check the most recent AR180B's, Colt 6920's and Colt 6940's. To prevent this sporadic export permit approval; Rob Arms and other Mfgr's now rollmark their firearms as 223 Rem. when they in fact still have 5.56 chambers. (...)
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Something doesn't seem right here...

Savage said:
No the only other chamber that is remotely close to the 5.56 is the .223 wylde and that is on the prohibited list from the US as well
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I'm sorry, but everything you've posted in this thread is complete and utter bulls**t. Back up your claim and post a link to this "prohibited list" you keep referencing.

If it turns out you're right and 5.56 is "illegal" for export, someone better let Department of State know that they f**ked up their own rule! Especially since theres an export permit for 2 5.56 on my desk in front of me with a Dept of State stamp and the word "APPROVED" on it. Valid until Nov. 2011, no less!

greentips said:
I think the 5.56 vs 223 issue is over analyzed.(...)
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Best post right here.
 
Savage said:
The chamber is.223 not 5.56 it is ilegal to export a firearm that is chambered in 5.56mm or .223 Wylde
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I think you are incorrect on the .223 Wylde, I have one arriving in the next couple of weeks. Coming from a board sponsor with all the necessary papers.
 
Savage said:
Actually you find the posts in the black rifle section there were many about this issue
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Yes, there are a lot of posts about this issue. That wasn't what I asked you; I asked where you found the document that outlines this law so transparently for you.

My main problem is with this assertion:

Savage said:
(...)it is ilegal to export a firearm that is chambered in 5.56mm or .223 Wylde
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Listen... I'm sure you mean well and all, but this statement is incorrect. The OP is trying to find something(s) out, and posting false and/or misleading information really doesn't help any newbs out.
 
Taman said:
Really? Could you post a link to this? I'm not even kidding I would very much like to read this.
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Look at the "XCR price list 2010" John at Wolverine supply has posted and stuck in the Wolverine Supplies section, It is plainly listed as "caliber 5.56 mm" :)
 
This has been discussed many times on this and other forums. 5.56mm requires an EXPORT PERMIT from the state department, it is NOT illegal. .223 rifles require no such permit. A 5.56 is essentially a .223 with a bit more wiggle room (yeah some minor differences). If you decide that your 5.56 is a .223 then it no longer requires the export permit. Just because 5.56 will fit in it does not make it a 5.56mm rifle, as it is marked .223. THAT is the law. Please do not accuse Robarm or Wolverine of doing anything shady, as they have jumped through plenty of legal BS hoops to get these rifles here and they obviously know what they are doing.

The original XCRs were marked 5.56, now they say .223- what luck for us that the calibre is interchangeable.
 
All of which is wonderfull, but doesn't help a lot with the original question: which gun should he buy.

My 2 cents: what do you want to do with it?

If you want to target shoot at a range, buy an AR. (I've had good luck with Colt and Rock River Arms). I don't do anything aftermarket to them- they should run fine out of the box.

If you want to shoot at places other than a range, (buddy's quarry, etc) then you need non-restricted- look at an SKS- cheap, works great, not quite as accurate, but good enough.

If you want to hunt, go buy a light bolt action.

Competition- well, sky's the limit. Good luck!
 
Thanks for all the info, guys.

I've decided to go with the XCR because I'm confident I'll really enjoy shooting it. I'm going to throw on a T-POD and a UBR. Sticking with Iron Sights for a while. I can shoot well enough at 300 prone with them.
 
Garry said:
All of which is wonderfull, but doesn't help a lot with the original question: which gun should he buy.

My 2 cents: what do you want to do with it?

If you want to target shoot at a range, buy an AR. (I've had good luck with Colt and Rock River Arms). I don't do anything aftermarket to them- they should run fine out of the box.

If you want to shoot at places other than a range, (buddy's quarry, etc) then you need non-restricted- look at an SKS- cheap, works great, not quite as accurate, but good enough.

If you want to hunt, go buy a light bolt action.

Competition- well, sky's the limit. Good luck!
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So, buy an AR, SKS or hunting rifle and that's it? :jerkit:
 
XCR is a good choice. It is similar to an AR, but is non-restricted. You can buy the 7.62x39 conversions to hunt with if you like (nothing too big), and it's a cheap calibre to shoot. I like the .223 myself, and the holdoffs will be the same as your service C7 or C8.
 
crashcollins said:
It's impossible for me to try to export a 5.56 firearm out of the US but every so often the US does allow a shipment of 5.56 marked rifles out to Canadian distributors. Check the most recent AR180B's, Colt 6920's and Colt 6940's. To prevent this sporadic export permit approval; Rob Arms and other Mfgr's now rollmark their firearms as 223 Rem. when they in fact still have 5.56 chambers. Not a big deal to me whats marked on the rifle but it does cause confusion for some people, not much chance of getting 5.56 Nato ammo in Canada anyway so 223 Rem. ammo is good to go in a rifle marked either way.
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I just got a 10.5" LMT upper marked 5.56.
 
A few thoughts

If you only want something similar to your work gun, sure a semi auto black rifle with 5 round magazines might be ok.

However if you want to shoot you might want to consider a bolt gun.
It will be a different experience, but I really like mine. As well reasonably accurate bolt guns are pretty cheap.
 
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