Question about HK MR223

mrsmitty

mrsmitty

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
118   0   0
Location
Sherwood Park, Alberta
Hi guys,

I recently saw some fellow on HKpro forums claiming the MR223 with a longer barrel would be non restricted. I said no way cause they classed it as restricted as being a variant of the AR15 and not due to barrel length. He still insisted that its classed that way due to barrel length. Anyone have any concrete proof that it is classified as restricted due to being a variant of the AR15. Thanks for your help in advance.
 
I was under the impression that it's an AR variant, or at least classified as one.

On a side note, have you picked one up? It's ok, but I wasn't too keen on a few things. I didn't like the very straight pistol grip. I thought I was holding a WWII broom handle pistol, not an AR type rifle. Also it felt a bit bulky compared to a normal AR-15. Then there was the price...
 
Epoxy7 said:
I was under the impression that it's an AR variant, or at least classified as one.

On a side note, have you picked one up? It's ok, but I wasn't too keen on a few things. I didn't like the very straight pistol grip. I thought I was holding a WWII broom handle pistol, not an AR type rifle. Also it felt a bit bulky compared to a normal AR-15. Then there was the price...
Click to expand...

I felt the same way at first, but now I love that particular pistol handle, my hand does mold nice to the grip. The collapsible stock i find is amazing and was really a surprise. The rifle is exceptionally smooth, mind you getting the extra's like iron sights and flash compensator are inconvenient and expensive. I'm not a fan off the flip front sight that rests on the barrel though and I'm not a big fan of the hk rear diopter sight for various reason.

For reference:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewcategoriesCustom.asp?idCategory=14


This rifle really grows on you quickly if you have the cash for it, you will not likely look back.
 
Epoxy7 said:
On a side note, have you picked one up? It's ok, but I wasn't too keen on a few things. I didn't like the very straight pistol grip. I thought I was holding a WWII broom handle pistol, not an AR type rifle. Also it felt a bit bulky compared to a normal AR-15. Then there was the price...
Click to expand...

I pick one up on a regular basis. You can swap the grip for any standard AR grip. Lots of photos with Magpul etc if you look around. I went with the HK V3 grip which is very nice in my opinion:

img224z.jpg


The stock can be swapped too for Magpul etc too, but I prefer the HK one:

imgp1220g.jpg
 
mrsmitty said:
I recently saw some fellow on HKpro forums claiming the MR223 with a longer barrel would be non restricted. I said no way cause they classed it as restricted as being a variant of the AR15 and not due to barrel length. He still insisted that its classed that way due to barrel length. Anyone have any concrete proof that it is classified as restricted due to being a variant of the AR15. Thanks for your help in advance.
Click to expand...

Yes (sorry boys and girls, but I don't think this is going to fly). Take these examples... At first glance both the HK MR223 and HK416D appear to have been restricted based solely on barrel length (in part because there aren't barrel options over 470mm). Then if you look at the example for the Stoner 15 it's restricted solely on being an AR (regardless of barrel length). So it looks hopeful...

Then look at the classification for the LMT defender. At barrel lengths under 470mm (457mm) it's restricted based on barrel length. However, a barrel length of 520mm is restricted based on type. I have a suspicion that if you mounted a longer barrel on your MR223 it would remain restricted - just on type/variant instead of barrel length (just like the LMT Defender).
..........

HK MR223 (420mm) Legal Classification: CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (b)
HK 416D (264mm-419mm) Legal Classification: CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (b)
LMT Defender 2000 (457mm) Legal Classification: CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (b)
84. (1) "restricted firearm'' means
(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
(b) a firearm that
° (i) is not a prohibited firearm,
° (ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
° (iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm;
Click to expand...

Knight SR-15 (406mm/508mm) Legal Classification: RFR, Part 2, para. 2
LMT Defender 2000 (520mm) Legal Classification: RFR, Part 2, para. 2
2. The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the
(a) Colt AR-15;
(b) Colt AR-15 SPI;
(c) Colt AR-15 Sporter;
(d) Colt AR-15 Collapsible Stock Model;
(e) Colt AR-15 A2;
(f) Colt AR-15 A2 Carbine;
(g) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Rifle;
(h) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Target Rifle;
(i) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Carbine;
(j) Colt AR-15 A2 Sporter II;
(k) Colt AR-15 A2 H-BAR;
(l) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR;
(m) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR Match;
(n) Colt AR-15 9mm Carbine;
(o) Armalite AR-15;
(p) AAI M15;
(q) AP74;
(r) EAC J-15;
(s) PWA Commando;
(t) SGW XM15A;
(u) SGW CAR-AR;
(v) SWD AR-15; and
(w) any 22-calibre rimfire variant, including the
(i) Mitchell M-16A-1/22,
(ii) Mitchell M-16/22,
(iii) Mitchell CAR-15/22, and
(iv) AP74 Auto Rifle.
Click to expand...
 
scottm said:
I pick one up on a regular basis. You can swap the grip for any standard AR grip. Lots of photos with Magpul etc if you look around. I went with the HK V3 grip which is very nice in my opinion:

img224z.jpg


The stock can be swapped too for Magpul etc too, but I prefer the HK one:

imgp1220g.jpg
Click to expand...

Very Nice and Classy, I am also waiting for One.
 
oenone said:
What's the difference between the two? Just won't fit into the more squarish magwell of the MR223?
Click to expand...

HK416/MR223 is designed for STANAG (NATO STANdard AGreement) mags. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4179

Colt M4 etc have slightly larger/different shaped mag wells compared to the NATO standard. PMAGs are designed for these M4 type magazine wells. The EMAGs are STANAG 4179 spec so they work with the HK416/MR223.
 
scottm said:
HK416/MR223 is designed for STANAG (NATO STANdard AGreement) mags. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4179

Colt M4 etc have slightly larger/different shaped mag wells compared to the NATO standard. PMAGs are designed for these M4 type magazine wells. The EMAGs are STANAG 4179 spec so they work with the HK416/MR223.
Click to expand...

what about the C7 mags? are they just the STANAG 4179 mags?
 
Leibermuster said:
I'm not a fan off the flip front sight that rests on the barrel though and I'm not a big fan of the hk rear diopter sight for various reason.
Click to expand...

I know from personal experience that the front sight doesn't rest on the barrel.
Here's a HK416 photo from heckler-koch.com but the barrel/flipped down sight relationship is the same on the MR223. There is a small gap.

HK416_16_5_KeyVis_1.jpg
 
Last edited:
blaxsun said:
Yes (sorry boys and girls, but I don't think this is going to fly). Take these examples... At first glance both the HK MR223 and HK416D appear to have been restricted based solely on barrel length (in part because there aren't barrel options over 470mm). Then if you look at the example for the Stoner 15 it's restricted solely on being an AR (regardless of barrel length). So it looks hopeful...

Then look at the classification for the LMT defender. At barrel lengths under 470mm (457mm) it's restricted based on barrel length. However, a barrel length of 520mm is restricted based on type. I have a suspicion that if you mounted a longer barrel on your MR223 it would remain restricted - just on type/variant instead of barrel length (just like the LMT Defender).
..........
Click to expand...
But the LMT is in both of those and the 416/223 are not...?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom