IPSC @ Barrie and No Provincials

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Quigley said:
Well if this individual had any first hand knowledge of it...and did nothing about it...in 1997...they have zero credibility.
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It was not just one individual there were four directors as well as the president.
Apparently, whenever the subject was raised it was never the right time (you can guess who it was that shut down any discussion on the matter). So the whole of the 1997 BOD has zero credibility??

My point of view is:
As the '1996 Constitution' was never ratified by the 1997 BOD (or any other, as far as I can determine), it has never been in force. As it has never been in force it cannot now be used as the authority or justification for enforcement of it's contents.
 
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stormbringer said:
Here is an idea.........

if one does not want dirty laundry.

Might I suggest NOT s**tTING THRE F'ING BED!!

Then there will be no dirty laundry to air.

This whole episode is on the one hand SO F'ING STUPID as to be incredible.

On the other hand it puts a huge spotlight that on the fact that we have some very large problems in our group that must be addressed.

I will be seeking direction form the membership of EESA as to what position they want me to take on this matter.
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I am assuming that you mean you will be doing this after you have all the facts, like after the Ontario Club Reps meeting, not solely based off information from a Gunnutz forum posting?
 
Quigley said:
If the 1997 Board did nothing about it...they have no credibility on the subject (IMHO) They had the opportunity (and the authority) to do something...and they didn't...why bring it up 14 years later.
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Because the non existent constitution is being used to justify what has been done to John and Kent.
 
PH Racing said:
I am assuming that you mean you will be doing this after you have all the facts, like after the Ontario Club Reps meeting, not solely based off information from a Gunnutz forum posting?
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Did you miss the part where I am not making any determination?

I thought it was pretty clear in what I wrote. I take my direction from the membership of EESA.

If anyone wants to bring ANY information into the open about this sordid matter I would HIGHLY encourage them to do so and do so post haste.

All this backroom cloak and dagger crap does nothing at all to clear things up.

If ony one side of the situation is prepared to present their case I have no control of that. In fact one might wonder why exactly only one side is in the open with regard to the matter.

If we are still discussing this situation by the time the club rep meeting is completed...................................then things are FAR FAR worse than I thought.

But from the parallel conversation about our constitution.......or lack thereof. We might just indeed be hooped.
 
As I read it you said you will be seeking direction from your membership, sorry if I misunderstood that statement. I'm not sure where the cloak and dagger comes from, the board so far has stayed off a public forum and out of an Internet pissing match which I think shows some intellect on their part. I'm sure all information will come to light, but at a proper venue, and this isn't it.
 
arancio said:
Because the non existent constitution is being used to justify what has been done to John and Kent.
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Well you must know something I don't...or have a better understanding of that document. The constitution is in place to protect the members.

You're just fueled on blind hatred...not sure how that's helping.

No constitution (according to your decade old source) - Buds Fault
Clubs not happy - Buds fault
member upset (pick topic de jour) - Buds fault
This entire thread - Buds fault.
High price of gas - Buds fault?
Stock Market crash - Buds fault??

...it's really getting tired.
 
For what it is worth, Constitutional ammendments are adopted by the membership (usually at AGM) in any not-for-profit organization. Constitutional changes (or original charter constitution) cannot be adopted by a board. They can be recommended by a board to a meeting of the membership.
 
PH Racing said:
As I read it you said you will be seeking direction from your membership, sorry if I misunderstood that statement..
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Exactly then why in your reply to you refer to YOU as in the singular ME?
I take my direction from the membership of EESA on matters as volitile as this appears to be.

PH Racing said:
I'm not sure where the cloak and dagger comes from, the board so far has stayed off a public forum and out of an Internet pissing match which I think shows some intellect on their part. I'm sure all information will come to light, but at a proper venue, and this isn't it.
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Have you gotten an email from the BOD regarding their position on this matter?

Barring that this place is the ONLY venue available.

Likewise those not on the BOD have no other recourse as they lack the members email list.

This whole episode is just so damned stupid it is incredible and should never have gotten as far as it has without resolution. So much more the shame.
 
Quigley said:
Well you must know something I don't...or have a better understanding of that document. The constitution is in place to protect the members.

You're just fueled on blind hatred...not sure how that's helping.

No constitution (according to your decade old source) - Buds Fault
Clubs not happy - Buds fault
member upset (pick topic de jour) - Buds fault
This entire thread - Buds fault.
High price of gas - Buds fault?
Stock Market crash - Buds fault??

...it's really getting tired.
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Being relatively well read, I know a lot of things you don't.:D

John and Kent are members. How has it protected them ??

Not blind hatred; more like nauseating disgust.

Why are you accusing bud of the six situations listed above.
I don't believe the price of gas or the stock market crash are germane.
As far as unhappy clubs are concerned, ask anyone at BGC.
As for the remaining points, you are the one attributing those to bud alone.

So, injustice perpetrated on decent hard working for IPSC members is getting tired ?? You have an interesting take on the situation.
 
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I have not received any emails have you? If not then all your information is based on what is printed here. Now I may have missed it so can you point me to the place on this forum where it says that this is the official forum of IPSC Ontario? Since we don't know all the facts that led up to this decision, it's kind of hard to say who's fault it is that it got this far.
 
Very poor attempt at twisting my words...

arancio said:
Being relatively well read, I know a lot of things you don't.:D

John and Kent are members. How has it protected them ??

Not blind hatred; more like nauseating disgust.

Why are you accusing bud of the six situations listed above.
I don't believe the price of gas or the stock market crash are germane.
As far as unhappy clubs are concerned, ask anyone at BGC.
As for the remaining points, you are the one attributing those to bud alone.

So, injustice perpetrated on decent hard working for IPSC members is getting tired ?? You have an interesting take on the situation.
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PH Racing said:
I have not received any emails have you? If not then all your information is based on what is printed here. Now I may have missed it so can you point me to the place on this forum where it says that this is the official forum of IPSC Ontario? Since we don't know all the facts that led up to this decision, it's kind of hard to say who's fault it is that it got this far.
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Are you able to point us to the official forum of IPSC Ontario ?? If not, then this will have to do until such time as there is an official IPSC Ontario forum.
 
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