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Hey all, Maybe this has been discussed in the past, or maybe not, but I was kind of mentally exploring the differences between the Canadian firearms system and the American.

As I believe it stands, there are restrictions on USA importing foreign assault weapons, forcing guns to contain SOME American parts and be assembled in the USA. One such example is the SIG 556, a US variant of the Swiss Arms rifles we can get here in Canada, but the Americans can NOT import. Interesting no?

I was also thinking about ARs. I know there are tricky laws in the US as well such as modifying your weapon such that you can easily change the classification of the gun. I think an example is a pistol equipped with a forward grip can change its classification to "any other weapon" under their legislation, requiring the owner to have different Government approval and permits. This can be done unknowingly by American citizens which can get them into trouble.

AFAIK, it is harder to accidentally change your gun's classification here in Canada short of like, sawing down a barrel or something like that.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else can think of other examples where the Canadian "system" might actually seem advantageous. Even though expensive, I think the ability to import a 100% foreign manufactured gun without having to "Canadian-ize" it can be seen as an asset in some cases. If I've made any mistakes, I apologize in advance, feel free to correct me. :)
 
Might want to recheck on the sig 556. The sig 556 is the US version and isn't very good...
 
I think I phrased it wrong. I meant to say we can get the Swiss Arms (great!) and they can't sadly (aww) :(

I for one am happy at least that it seems harder in Canada to accidentally change your gun into one requiring a special federal permit, making you an instant felon.

Heheh, @ the gov't comment, I'm not really sure "they" are going to be trolling for stuff to tack onto a bill. I get the feeling that when they send the stuff to the RCMP for classification, those guys know what they are doing, and the politicians are always going to be up to their same antics. Take up firearms cause to try and gather fear votes as part of a political campaign. Little we can do about that :(

On the other hand actually... the GSG-5 22lr rifle prohib....hmm.....nah can't get behind that one. /rolleyes
 
Open carry in Canada?
No, unless you are on crownland with a non restricted firearm.

Conceal carry in Canada?
No, unless you happen to be very special with a permit.

Having normal and high capacity magazines in Canada?
No, unless it happens to be a rimfire or pump gun.

Can hunt with a pistol?
No, unless you count wilderness defense as hunting with that special permit.

Can own select fire firearms?
No, even if you were grandfathered one, you cant find a place to shoot it.

Can shoot suppressed to avoid hearing damage?
No.

Can own a AK,FAL,G3,MP5,UZI,MAC,AUG,SPAS12 blah blah the list goes on...?
No, even if you were grandfathered one, you cant find a place to shoot it.

The good thing we have here is what you mentioned, no need for the 10 compliant foreign parts to make things legal, no issues with adding grips and shoulder stocks to pistols, no issues with caliber changes, no issues with short barreled rifles or shotguns.

So does in a nutshell, advantageous to USA?
Mmmmmmm if we had 10 round restriction on capacity limit I would put things on par with certain ban states. But remember, we have no castle rule here or the second amendment, so owning a gun in Canada is not a right, but a privilege that must be carried out with extreme caution.


Zephram said:
Hey all, Maybe this has been discussed in the past, or maybe not, but I was kind of mentally exploring the differences between the Canadian firearms system and the American.

As I believe it stands, there are restrictions on USA importing foreign assault weapons, forcing guns to contain SOME American parts and be assembled in the USA. One such example is the SIG 556, a US variant of the Swiss Arms rifles we can get here in Canada, but the Americans can NOT import. Interesting no?

I was also thinking about ARs. I know there are tricky laws in the US as well such as modifying your weapon such that you can easily change the classification of the gun. I think an example is a pistol equipped with a forward grip can change its classification to "any other weapon" under their legislation, requiring the owner to have different Government approval and permits. This can be done unknowingly by American citizens which can get them into trouble.

AFAIK, it is harder to accidentally change your gun's classification here in Canada short of like, sawing down a barrel or something like that.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else can think of other examples where the Canadian "system" might actually seem advantageous. Even though expensive, I think the ability to import a 100% foreign manufactured gun without having to "Canadian-ize" it can be seen as an asset in some cases. If I've made any mistakes, I apologize in advance, feel free to correct me. :)
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Yeah, good post. I think we know they get the win in the firearms ownership arena, its just harsh for them to have all those freedoms and then want to order something and be told "nope, can't get it, will never get it".

Can hunt with a pistol?
No, unless you count wilderness defense as hunting with that special permit.
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I always get a laugh when I see S&W 500's for sale, and apparently they sell. This massive caliber handgun is cool with the RCMP even though IMO the only viable use for it IS hunting (except that you can't), or bear defense, that is... if you have a carry permit.
 
I get the feeling that when they send the stuff to the RCMP for classification, those guys know what they are doing
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Tell that to the idiots who took them 18+months to "prove" that "the Type 97 can be easily to be convert to full auto." :mad: :(
 
Zephram said:
Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else can think of other examples where the Canadian "system" might actually seem advantageous. :)
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Lets see, :confused:, could it be that ### gun owners in Canada can marry their hunting buddy and legally smoke dope to treat the "honeymoon" pain :D :canadaFlag:.
 
Tell that to the idiots who took them 18+months to "prove" that "the Type 97 can be easily to be convert to full auto.
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Hmm, never heard about that, must suck to own one because I'm assuming they reclassified as prohib making it useless except to look at, which is totally unfair to the owners of said firearm.

I retract my comment about them knowing whats up, I just hope that they would. I hope that some day some legislation removes anything to do with appearance being a qualifier for prohib list, thats just stupid. I want a GSG-5 damnit.
 
I guess you are late in the game, they will be confiscated without compensation and without grandfathering.

Zephram said:
Hmm, never heard about that, must suck to own one because I'm assuming they reclassified as prohib making it useless except to look at, which is totally unfair to the owners of said firearm.

I retract my comment about them knowing whats up, I just hope that they would. I hope that some day some legislation removes anything to do with appearance being a qualifier for prohib list, thats just stupid. I want a GSG-5 damnit.
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"...where the Canadian "system" might actually seem advantageous..." The biggest one is that we don't have to comply with Federal, State and sometimes Municipal firearms laws.
 
sunray said:
"...where the Canadian "system" might actually seem advantageous..." The biggest one is that we don't have to comply with Federal, State and sometimes Municipal firearms laws.
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Except we do have laws at Federal, Provincial and Municipal levels.

Federal laws to have the firearm.
Provincial laws on hunting and range safety.
Municipal laws on where the firearm may be discharged, and what if any additional licenses or restrictions apply.

The various laws don't yet restrict what you can own, but I'm sure that certain provinces and cities (Toronto!) are trying to further restrict ownership.
 
Polyshot said:
Tell that to the idiots who took them 18+months to "prove" that "the Type 97 can be easily to be convert to full auto." :mad: :(
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still wrong- the rcmp lab mindset is CAN we convert this to full auto and prohibit it, PERIOD- HOW ELSE WOULD YOU JUSTIFY THE USE OF FULL AUTO LOWERS AND TRIGGER GROUPS- parts WHICH WOULD BE UNAVAILABLE to CIVILIANS through normal channels,even if you could get them by the cbsa
 
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