BUL M5 GVT/ipsc .40 - STEYR M40 anyones??

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well...after multiple delayed shipping timeframes of a CZ SP01 tactical .40 i ordered 1 YEAR ago, i've decided to look at something else for my next pistol purchase.

i'd like to ear about your reviews on both pistols pointed in the title.

i'm looking for something midway between a pure target pistol and service pistol, something very tight and accurate for ipsc minus the price tag asked for a pure bred racer....and no glocks please, even if the STEYR is a modified beefed-up glock ...:nest:

i use a shadow in production, but i'd like to use a .40 too.

i dont have a single clue about the pistols mentionned, but your suggestions are welcome.
 
never handled the Bull buy used to have Steyr M9a1

it was alright but I ended up selling it in favor of M&P9, which I ended up selling as well :(

btw what do you think of Beretta?
 
never handled the Bull buy used to have Steyr M9a1

it was alright but I ended up selling it in favor of M&P9, which I ended up selling as well :(

btw what do you think of Beretta?

well, i've considered the 92fs , but i need a .40,and there's no beretta in .40 available around ATM:redface:....

i've looked at a 96 STEEL-1 at crafm, gun produced by beretta between 99(or 2003?) and 2006, but very pricey, they ask 2000$, and if i believe the reviews , it's not perfect at all, and on top of that it's a 9mm so i'm :owned: screwed with the beretta option ATM, and i'm not convinced it's as tight as a race gun, or let's say a great prodie gun like the SIG X5 is...


the fact is that i'm looking at a target pistol lol, but not the usual price tag that come with it!!

i've been hammered this after noon , with the previsible : ''''' YOOUU!! should absolutly look into 1911 if the purpose seeked is premium accuracy!!''''':stirthepot2:...well,well!! ...here i go again with this in mind: pimped 1911 or service guns :runaway:....

16-40 limited para comes to mind, then the dude said ''kimber is a para with better internals '''....:nest:probably reffering to the para extractor paper made:nest:...

maybe it'll end up with a tube of crazy glue and a 1911, i dont know wich, but it has to be under the 1200$ mark.

i still wonder if there's a prod gun, not a 1911 who can achieve the same level of accuracy than non-obtainium guns..
 
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Two local IPSC shooters just bought BUL M5 guns, one in .45, the other in .40. They seem like nice guns. Grip is smaller than a stock Para and comparable to an STI. Controls are identical to any regular 1911 BUT not all 1911 parts will fit - especially anything to do with the frame of the gun.
 
Two local IPSC shooters just bought BUL M5 guns, one in .45, the other in .40. They seem like nice guns. Grip is smaller than a stock Para and comparable to an STI. Controls are identical to any regular 1911 BUT not all 1911 parts will fit - especially anything to do with the frame of the gun.

woaw.thanks for the inside. basicaly i could find myself out of spare parts and it might be tough looking for parts to pimp the gun correctly.

did you have any infos on how the gun shoot or do you think they worth the money asked??

i know it's all about highly suggestive from one person to another, but i collect all infos i can get to make the right pick.
 
I have a Bul M5 IPSC model with two barrels in .38 super and 9mm. The .38 Super barrel has achieved a 5 shot 1.5 inch group at 25 meters with factory ammunition, I can't recall if it was Federal or Winchester. shooting position was standing, two hand hold using a barricade for support. The 9mm barrel hasn't seen much use, best I achieved was 1.5 inches at 15 meters, I haven't shot it at longer distances.
 
I have a Bul M5 IPSC model with two barrels in .38 super and 9mm. The .38 Super barrel has achieved a 5 shot 1.5 inch group at 25 meters with factory ammunition, I can't recall if it was Federal or Winchester. shooting position was standing, two hand hold using a barricade for support. The 9mm barrel hasn't seen much use, best I achieved was 1.5 inches at 15 meters, I haven't shot it at longer distances.

well,that first hand experience is welcome. thanks.

i've been very close to pick an M5 IPSC , at the end without crucial infos on the brand/pistol and facing a possible lack of parts/service i finaly picked a used CZ tactical sport for the standard class, but i still need a back-up gun, the practical thing with the M5 ipsc is that it no doubt make a redoutable standard class gun, and it can be pimped as a good baseline for the open class,and on top of that i'm still realy atracted by this pistol,just the israelian tag who may lead to wonder about their parts availability, but i noticed recently ghost products have M5 mags in stock and some M5 internals wich are the same as CHARLES DAILY M5 pistol line-up......
 
Charles Daly lost the Bul distributorship and then IIRC went out of business. Angus may have picked up some of their old stock or May have purchased some from Saul.
Saul Kirsch ran a Bul in top level IPSC comps for a number of years: http://www.doublealpha.biz/ He is now shooting an STI IIRC.

The original Kimber polymer framed 1911 was a Bul that was relabeled. AFAIK they now make their own frame.
Buls are a cut above the Para and a step below the STI Edge for standard division. Several of my friends own them and have high round counts, none have had to replace internal parts. Several of my friends have also bought Paras and have had difficulties either out of the box or with parts wearing out prematurely (Prematurely being within 20,000 rounds, which is not a lot for an IPSC shooter). My Para was a POS when I bought it second hand and became worse after a gunbutcher tried to fix it, so I am biased against the brand.

I run STI mags in my Bul, so mags are not a problem. Apart from the trigger bow and mag release I don't think there are any non standard 1911 parts.

Good luck with your CZ, they were popular in Australia for a few years until a problem developed with the rear sights cracking under recoil. The Springfield P9/Tanfoglio/Witness also had issues with cracking of slides and broken slide stops when loaded to major. There have also been reports of slide stops breaking on CZ SP01s. It appears the CZ design is rather borderline with high energy loads. I would rate the Bul several notches higher on a durability scale, but the CZ is certainly a sweet pistol.

Realistically the Bul is not a good option for open as it does not have a steel dust cover to mount the optic rail on. You would either have to run a slide mounted optic, with the usual problems of losing your sight picture in recoil and of recoil destroying the sight, or mount it the position of the take down lever, meaning you would have to sight in every time you dismantle the gun for cleaning or transportation.

Things I have noticed about the Bul:
Trigger pull from the factory was a tad over 3 pounds and crisp.
The STI mags needed a smidgeon sanded off the front to ensure they fit in the Bul mag well.
Original Bul hi cap mags worked fine in my Bul M5, factory 10 rounders were not available when the law changed in Australia.
If you maintain a death grip on the gun when using STI mags it can prevent magazines from dropping free, the polymer frame is not as rigid as the STI 2011 frame.
The grip is not as large as the STI grip. If you have small to medium hands the Bull will be better, the grip is slightly smaller than the Para.
The mag well is aluminum, so it gets nicked up fairly rapidly.
The rear sight appears to be an LPA adjustable sight, the front sight is dovetailed and has never worked free.
The gun is very reliable, when held with one finger and thumb it still cycles a full mag in rapid fire without a hiccup.
The oversize mag release is a little too large for me, as I am left handed it rubs against my trigger finger.
 
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