Slug-00B combination shell - Performance in the field on deer

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Hi all,

Anyone had an opportunity to shoot these yet? Im wondering on accuracy of the slug, as I think they'd be a good shell for pushing through tight cover for deer. The description markets them primarily as a home defense round, but Winchester is also promoting them as a hunting round.

http://www.winchester.com/Products/shotshell-ammunition/supreme-elite/pdx112/Pages/S12PDX1.aspx

Description:

When it comes to the safety of you or your family, choose the shotshell load that delivers a threat-stopping combination of two distinct personal defense technologies: the PDX1™. The 12-gauge Supreme Elite PDX1 features a distinctive black hull, black oxide high-base head and 3 pellets of Grex® buffered 00 plated buckshot nested on top of a 1 oz rifled slug. The result is the ideal, tight patterning personal defense load. The slug/buckshot combination provides optimum performance at short & longer ranges while compensating for aim error.
 
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I have real doubts about how well it'd work - if you miss with the slug, i'm not sure the 'stopping power' of a single 33 cal lead ball would do much good.

On the flipside - it's winchester and you'd think they'd have tested it and been happy with the performance before marketing it.

I'd be interested in playing with it just to see.
 
Foxer said:
I have real doubts about how well it'd work - if you miss with the slug, i'm not sure the 'stopping power' of a single 33 cal lead ball would do much good.

On the flipside - it's winchester and you'd think they'd have tested it and been happy with the performance before marketing it.

I'd be interested in playing with it just to see.
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I will be playing with them extensively before use on game.

I find it unlikely that you'd miss with the slug, yet hit with a pellet. I'd only be using them at short ranges (inside 30 yards).
 
Buck and Ball loads are nothing new, you would think that better patterns would be produced by loading the pellets under the slug not on top. Time will tell by as far as I am concerned you would probably be better of with a heavier slug than three 00buck pellets. There is also a new .410 load with 3 or 4 00 or 000 pellets followed by a slug, for shooting big varmints at close range it should work better than a slug.
 
Whatever the case, anything you hit with that is gonna be an AWFUL mess.

Home defense indeed... yowza! Can you imagine that from 15 feet? :runaway:

-M
 
I think the additional recoil would not be offset by the additional terminal effect of the buckshot for defense scenarios where rapid follow up shots may be required. I suspect that the three buckshot wouldn't pattern particularly well at any significant distance, either.

Buck and ball loads were popular for use in smoothbore muskets, but they were typically fired in volleys at another group of soldiers less than 75-100 yards away, rather than at individual targets.
 
tjhaile said:
I think the additional recoil would not be offset by the additional terminal effect of the buckshot for defense scenarios where rapid follow up shots may be required. I suspect that the three buckshot wouldn't pattern particularly well at any significant distance, either.

Buck and ball loads were popular for use in smoothbore muskets, but they were typically fired in volleys at another group of soldiers less than 75-100 yards away, rather than at individual targets.
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I'd think things have improved a bit since the days of musket warfare. That said, this would be a round used only at short distances while pushing a swamp/thicket.
 
blasted_saber said:
I'd think things have improved a bit since the days of musket warfare. That said, this would be a round used only at short distances while pushing a swamp/thicket.
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Smooth bore barrel and a slightly undersized slug with three lead pellets on top, sound like the buffering and velocity are the only things that have changed. I don't understand why winchester wouldn't just go for a heavier slug, or in a defense situation the slug would pass through the target plus there are three 00 pellets zipping around aswell.

Blasted Saber try them out for sure and let us know if they work. I would be interested to know.
 
How would these work on T-Rex? I'm planning a trip back in time and I want to know if the bucks can blind a charging dino with one shot. I also want MAXIMUM penetration with the slug.

Can I fired these out of a turkey choke? How can I mount a 6-15x scope on my H&R single shot?

Thx.....
 
Gatehouse said:
Time to discuss this load from a bear defense point of view....
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Black bears - sure. Brown or white bears - I doubt they would be anything more than pissed off. I've heard of brown bears taking a slug to the head and it doesn't take the down.

For bear defence, you need to shock the CNS. The best way to do that is penetration power. I'll take a 44 mag over a shotgun with any load into the field for bear defence any day. Better yet, a 45-70 guide gun. Either of those cartridges has enough capacity to be used for small game fetching with a birdshot load just as effectively as a 12ga.
 
Very odd shell. I guess there's a defense scenario that a 1 oz slug or 9-12 pellets of 00 buck can't handle ?:confused:

Thank God you only shot me with a 1 oz slug, if there was also three pellets in that load I'd be in trouble !:p
 
thebigslide said:
Black bears - sure. Brown or white bears - I doubt they would be anything more than pissed off. I've heard of brown bears taking a slug to the head and it doesn't take the down.

For bear defence, you need to shock the CNS. The best way to do that is penetration power. I'll take a 44 mag over a shotgun with any load into the field for bear defence any day. Better yet, a 45-70 guide gun. Either of those cartridges has enough capacity to be used for small game fetching with a birdshot load just as effectively as a 12ga.
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I think you may have taken my comment a bit too seriously....:p

Grizzly bears won't shrug off a slug to the brain, BTW.;)
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
Smooth bore barrel and a slightly undersized slug with three lead pellets on top, sound like the buffering and velocity are the only things that have changed. I don't understand why winchester wouldn't just go for a heavier slug, or in a defense situation the slug would pass through the target plus there are three 00 pellets zipping around aswell.

Blasted Saber try them out for sure and let us know if they work. I would be interested to know.
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I will when I find them. They should be hitting the shelves in the US around now, hopefully up here soon.
 
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