SKS Shooters "Clean up your Act"

JEC said:
I don't need to preach to the converted or those 7.62 X 39 shooters who actually pick up their steel cases at the Range...but, everybody needs to pitch in to reduce issues related to all the cases left on the ground. I'm not looking to start a "but the rimfire guys are worse" discussion...just to focus on the problem of 7.62 X 39 case litter.
Every spring, there is some discussion at the Range about the mess of steel cases left on the ground and shooting pads ---- and one of the solutions always offered is to "ban" the SKS ---yada yada. The bottom line here, is that the problem is real and unless it is adressed, something will eventually gain traction ---and it may be unpopular.
Did you know that you can buy a nail magnet at Princess Auto for $15.00 that will grab those little buggers without you even having to bend over? Buy one, use it ...and the "ban the SKS" talk may never come up again...unless someone is seen "bump firing".
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Maybe you should preach to all the other shooters out there that leave thier piles of 7.62x51 , 9mm , .40 S&W , .223 just to name a few.
Ban the sks form a shooting range ? Thats just plain ol silly . Its not just the sks that makes the mess . I agree some people do leave piles of the steel cases around but you will never ever get those people to clean up thier mess. When I go to my range I pick up all the steel cased ammo and everything else that I can. There is probably more handgun casings at my range lying around than steel cases. Instead of whining on a public forum to people that are not going to listen or care , do something about it at your club . Take your problem to your club .
You can also bump fire alot of semi auto's not just the sks.
You can sometimes mistake rapid fire for a bump fire , I heard some guys shooting one day at my range and could have swarn they were bumpfiring , I went over to check it out and it turns out they were firing ARs with 2 pound triggers. The guy let me fire it and I could not believe how fast I could get the rounds out, so befire accusing someone of bumpfireing you should get some proof. So I am really rambling here .
Anyways my final thought is this..... Its you range you pay your membership fees , there are always going to be people that make a mess and are not going to change so sadly its up other people to clean up. Like myself , I shoot alot and when I clean up my brass and MY STEEL CASINGS I always pick up my stuff and everything else thats there as well!
 
JoshHanson said:
Hmm interesting thread. I prefer my public range. Its dirty, its shot up and its a little ghetto, but I like it. I can go, teach others to shoot, pick up hordes of reloadable brass, no anti-s telling me to "slow my fire", I can shoot surplus ammo etc.

The downside is that the public range in my area ranges from slightly disorganized to extremely filthy.

Banning a particular rifle, because you saw the steel case it may have fired, is like banning dogs because some of them bite. Its about the OWNERS. Not the rifles.

As for the neighborly noise complaints, the range owners should use their profits to invest in some extra sound barriers perhaps?
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You must be shooting at homestead haha
 
1 - Banning anything is only sinking to the anti's level.

2 - PICK UP YOUR BRASS. Hulls, brass, steel or otherwise, as well as take your targets down when you are done.

3 - When you join the club, you have agreed to the rules. If you don't follow them, you are gone, and forfeit the remainder of the years membership.

4 - There are the "old boys" and then there are the "snooty old boys". The snooty old boys can shove their $5000 stock for their $17000 skeet gun up their asses. The old boys are usually the ones that keep the club afloat, you know, like cleaning on range days when no-one else will. Know the difference, and respect the ones that deserve it. Maybe volunteer every once in a while.

5 - SEE # 2.

If Everyone just did this (#2) thene there would be minimal cleaning EVER to be done. No-one would be talking about banning certain rounds or certain guns.

With regards to the bump-firing, and rapid firing, generally speaking there is a couple minutes for shooting and then a few to check/put up targets. during the shooting period, if I want to shoot 176453 rounds, it is NO business of yours, so long as I do not hold up the line. As well, shooting from midrange, if you can prove it is dangerous, then I will concede that point, but do not see a problem with it yet (of course provided you are the only one shooting).

You will notice that all the range rules are centered around 2 points:
BE SAFE
BE CLEAN

Is it really that hard??????
 
Claybuster said:
I haven't banned anything as I'm not a member of the section executive. The executive of the range has banned all FMJ including the calibres you mentioned.
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Im glad Im not a part of that club. That is the most stupid rule, lets make this expensive hobby even more expensive by shooting premium hunting rounds. Your club is a enemy of the sport of shooting and doing your members a dis service. Shame on you guys. Lets put more restrictions and force shooters out. Good one boys.
 
Claybuster said:
I haven't banned anything as I'm not a member of the section executive. The executive of the range has banned all FMJ including the calibres you mentioned.
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By "you" I was referring to your club.

That's quite the rule, even banning premium homemade reloads with FMJBT bullets.

Though I can't imagine anyone would make a scene if a shooter was slow-firing off the bench with 12 pound heavy barrel .223 shooting 69gr. FMJ's.

The thought of a club where I was not permitted to shoot my Long Branch No4 with surplus ammunition fairly boggles the mind. Very handy for getting rid of annoying non-Fudd shooters and gear.
 
"Rapid fire" is a hard one to grasp I must admit. I'm having a hard time fathoming the difference between a single shooter shooting 1rnd/sec and 15 individual shooters each firing a round every 5 seconds. Or is every 5 seconds still too fast?:confused:
 
joe-nwt said:
"Rapid fire" is a hard one to grasp I must admit. I'm having a hard time fathoming the difference between a single shooter shooting 1rnd/sec and 15 individual shooters each firing a round every 5 seconds. Or is every 5 seconds still too fast?:confused:
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I was thinking that as well. 10 guys shooting "slow" could certainly make much more "rapid" noise than one guy actually shooting fast.

Also, how many trap and/or skeet houses does this range have? If it has two or three and they're all in use at the same time you could certainly get a lot of "rapid" noise.
 
The restrictions for rapid fire are usually put in place due to muzzle climbing and bullets possibly ending up over the burm. This is especially true with handguns, but happens with rifles and shotguns to. To say it is because of noise is absolutely retarded. If you live next to a gun club rapid fire makes no difference on a busy day.

Now as far as bannin FMJ goes..... WTF? How can you ban FMJ and who inspects the ammo. Do you mean to tell me soft point is the only ammo I can use. What if I reload ballistic tip ammo for long range shooting. What about handgun ammo. What legitimate reason can there be for this?

Now that I think about it the rapid fire thing now makes sense. There is prolly only a hadful of fudds willing to put up with these rules and therefore it makes sense that banning rapid fire would serve a purpose. The one or two members that show up can shoot slow and it wont sound so loud to the anti neighbours.

Claybuster what is this club of yours called? I'm very interested so I know where I should avoid as I would obviously not be welcome. "Old Boys Gun Club" maby?
 
JoshHanson said:
Bingo Trevor :)

Our little slum, a jewel of a mess.
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yes that it is , but on a nice summer evening during the middle of the week there is nothing like shooting at homestead , most times you have the place to yourself , you are out in the moutains , fresh air , and you can shoot cans if you want to !! I always take my stuff home with me from that place , it does get a little ghetto looking out there when the snow all melts away!
 
JEC said:
Thanks to all who participated in this thread. I have to confess, that once a year I raise the "pick up your brass" issue and after a brief "airing" ...things seem to improve at the range. Probably, some folks who read the enivitable "exchanges" talk to others and make an effort to reduce the problem. This year was quite interesting in that it did not skid sideways towards the "they are trying to ban my gun"..... Thanks again! And remember, whatever you shoot....if you leave the place cleaner than when you came...they will always invite you back.
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translation...

this thread backfired on me!
 
TrevorW said:
yes that it is , but on a nice summer evening during the middle of the week there is nothing like shooting at homestead , most times you have the place to yourself , you are out in the moutains , fresh air , and you can shoot cans if you want to !! I always take my stuff home with me from that place , it does get a little ghetto looking out there when the snow all melts away!
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i always describe the same way that dean'er describes their camping trip in the movie 'fubar'.

"real fu&%ing vista"
 
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