Looking at the Springfield Armory MA9102 M1A standard rifle with the walnut stock. Just wondering if they are sold here in Canada and by who? How much do they usually go for here, im assuming its alot! Do we have to keep our round limit to 5 rounds for it here? Does somebody sell good quality 5 round magazines for this gun or do they come pinned? Thanks
Springfield M1A Rifle in Canada
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Yah, I'm pretty sure they're a special order item, but they can be ordered. I also think Epps occasionally has them in stock, but I may be mistaken.
We bring in the Springfield M1A on special order. The distributor is hit or miss for having it in stock. To be honest I think your better off with a Chinese copy and then have some custom work done to bring it up to spec. You will end up with a better gun for less money. Phil.
Say what?
That's peculiar. Not the advice you gave me when I purchased the Springfield I have from you a few years ago.
No matter, I would have taken this one anyway. I wasn't really looking for advice at the time, just a walnut stocked Springfield M1A.
Max-4 I think if you buy the Norinco and spend the money you will have a better shooting rifle perhaps. You will have a poorly finished rifle. If a Norinco can be improved so can a Springfield. How much are you prepared to spend?
That's peculiar. Not the advice you gave me when I purchased the Springfield I have from you a few years ago.
No matter, I would have taken this one anyway. I wasn't really looking for advice at the time, just a walnut stocked Springfield M1A.
Max-4 I think if you buy the Norinco and spend the money you will have a better shooting rifle perhaps. You will have a poorly finished rifle. If a Norinco can be improved so can a Springfield. How much are you prepared to spend?
AAAAAAAAnd here we go.
A BETTER rifle? for less money? Please let me start a s**tstorm.
You see, it's really funny. All those guys will tell you to buy the chinese M14 and modify it. But then, you will soon realise that the modifications consist of swapping all the parts of your rifle (except the receiver) for Springfield parts or usgi parts (for the very true fine connoisseur), you will be lost a lil bit no? What is wrong with those people? They cant choose between a 500$ chinese copy or a 2500$ american copy, they have to build their own 1200$ frankeinstein. Wich one of the 3 is the best? The frankenstein for sure, it shoots 1/4 inch groups at 800 m
SO, choose between the 2, or get sucked in between by the M14 modifying crew... (no disrespect to ANYBODY modifying m14). It's 3 different rifles at 3 different prices.
That's the picture how I see it, sorry for my english or if I offended anybody, wasnt my goal.
A BETTER rifle? for less money? Please let me start a s**tstorm.
You see, it's really funny. All those guys will tell you to buy the chinese M14 and modify it. But then, you will soon realise that the modifications consist of swapping all the parts of your rifle (except the receiver) for Springfield parts or usgi parts (for the very true fine connoisseur), you will be lost a lil bit no? What is wrong with those people? They cant choose between a 500$ chinese copy or a 2500$ american copy, they have to build their own 1200$ frankeinstein. Wich one of the 3 is the best? The frankenstein for sure, it shoots 1/4 inch groups at 800 m
SO, choose between the 2, or get sucked in between by the M14 modifying crew... (no disrespect to ANYBODY modifying m14). It's 3 different rifles at 3 different prices.
That's the picture how I see it, sorry for my english or if I offended anybody, wasnt my goal.
AAAAAAAAnd here we go.
A BETTER rifle? for less money? Please let me start a s**tstorm.
You see, it's really funny. All those guys will tell you to buy the chinese M14 and modify it. But then, you will soon realise that the modifications consist of swapping all the parts of your rifle (except the receiver) for Springfield parts or usgi parts (for the very true fine connoisseur), you will be lost a lil bit no? What is wrong with those people? They cant choose between a 500$ chinese copy or a 2500$ american copy, they have to build their own 1200$ frankeinstein. Wich one of the 3 is the best? The frankenstein for sure, it shoots 1/4 inch groups at 800 m
SO, choose between the 2, or get sucked in between by the M14 modifying crew... (no disrespect to ANYBODY modifying m14). It's 3 different rifles at 3 different prices.
That's the picture how I see it, sorry for my english or if I offended anybody, wasnt my goal.
I like this guy. At the end of the day you have a M1A bastard 14.
"...have to keep our round limit to 5 rounds..." Yep. Semi-auto, centre fire.
"...sold here in Canada and by who?..." Yep, very expensive. $2,500 and up. Epp's is a dealer. None listed on their site. Link to their site is above.
Goble's in London is a dealer too. Call 'em for availability.
Add the W's. .gobles.ca/MAINPAGES/ContactUs.html
"...good quality..." Usually come with a 5 round mag. 20 round mags must be pinned before being imported. SA Inc. won't do that. Goble's wants $63.95 each for an SA Inc 5 round mag. Marstar wants $19.95 for a 5 round M305 mag. $35.00 for a pinned 20 round mag.
"...sold here in Canada and by who?..." Yep, very expensive. $2,500 and up. Epp's is a dealer. None listed on their site. Link to their site is above.
Goble's in London is a dealer too. Call 'em for availability.
Add the W's. .gobles.ca/MAINPAGES/ContactUs.html
"...good quality..." Usually come with a 5 round mag. 20 round mags must be pinned before being imported. SA Inc. won't do that. Goble's wants $63.95 each for an SA Inc 5 round mag. Marstar wants $19.95 for a 5 round M305 mag. $35.00 for a pinned 20 round mag.
The F is the one you do want. The one you don't want is the A code.
Bolt - Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A bolts are manufactured in the United States of America. The M1A bolts are typically marked 7790186-SA on the first line and A00030, B00048 or F00059 or similar number on the second line. They may have markings such as D and M3 on the rear end and A9 or B1 on the bottom surface. The letter A prefix for the number under 7790186-SA means the bolt was cast then finish machined. The letter B prefix for the number under 7790186-SA means the bolt was machined from bar stock. The letter F prefix for the number under 7790186-SA means the bolt is forged. Springfield Armory, Inc. began installing F prefix M1A bolts by no later than 2000.
Not at the last clinic!!!
LoL!!!
Both guys show up with some real nice preaty one's and both bolts have the F on it and both were defective rifles. I felt so sorry for them. But hell don't take my word for it take a look what the doctor said;
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4287683&postcount=36
I am well aware that Springfields quality has taken a nosedive especially in the last 8 years or so. That is why I am now a happy owner of a Doc built GI Poly
However the issue described above is with Springfields "quality" and not how the bolt was made. Those codes are correct. F is forged.
But even an F code bolt wont make up for sloppy work,fit and assembly (wake up Geneseo!!).
And while I'm at it, my 2009 Poly's receiver is nicely finished, not rough in any way and this rifle has the smoothest tilt test I've ever seen (and its forged).
If you want an M1A, get one from back in the day.
However the issue described above is with Springfields "quality" and not how the bolt was made. Those codes are correct. F is forged.
But even an F code bolt wont make up for sloppy work,fit and assembly (wake up Geneseo!!).
And while I'm at it, my 2009 Poly's receiver is nicely finished, not rough in any way and this rifle has the smoothest tilt test I've ever seen (and its forged
).If you want an M1A, get one from back in the day.
Amen to that Brother!I am well aware that Springfields quality has taken a nosedive especially in the last 8 years or so. That is why I am now a happy owner of a Doc built GI Poly
However the issue described above is with Springfields "quality" and not how the bolt was made. Those codes are correct. F is forged.
But even an F code bolt wont make up for sloppy work,fit and assembly (wake up Geneseo!!).
And while I'm at it, my 2009 Poly's receiver is nicely finished and not rough in any way (and its forged
If you want an M1A, get one from back in the day.
What first got me interested in the poltech/norinco rifles was when I came across the west texas armory site a few years back (when I was an M1A snob lol). He claims to have shot over 50,000 rounds with his "frankenstein" Polytech M14!! I had to wonder, how did that allegedly cheaply made receiver stand up to that?
http://www.westtexasarmory.com/gunsmithing.htm
Polytech M14.
"I purchased this rifle new in the 80's. It came from century arms with a GI barrel already installed and a GI bolt. The headspace was not good on it right out of the box so I had to fit a new TRW bolt to the receiver and barrel. I also replaced the Poly op rod after a few thousand rounds when it started to pop off on it's own. Now it has a winchester op rod. This rifle has seen well over 50,000 rounds on the gi barrel that was on it now. Recently I fitted a Douglas heavy barrel and bedded it to a gi birch stock and a gi heavy walnut stock. It also has a set of NM sights fitted with a lockbar rear pinion assembly so I don't have to worry about anything coming loose when it gets bounced around on horseback or on the tractor. I also weld unitized the gas group and did a NM trigger job. The gas piston and op rod spring guide are made by Sadlak industries."
I myself have had a few M1A's over the years and some of the older ones with all GI parts certainly are nice.
* My Opinion* I have come to realize it is not worth spending that kind of money on a rifle with an out of spec cast receiver (and possibly s**tty newer production SAI parts). I will be using poly/norc receivers (which are available for peanuts) for my future builds. They are forged and in spec.
Do some research before you spend your dollars. If you can find a nice older M1A with GI parts that's fine......but the receiver will still be cast.
http://www.westtexasarmory.com/gunsmithing.htm
Polytech M14.
"I purchased this rifle new in the 80's. It came from century arms with a GI barrel already installed and a GI bolt. The headspace was not good on it right out of the box so I had to fit a new TRW bolt to the receiver and barrel. I also replaced the Poly op rod after a few thousand rounds when it started to pop off on it's own. Now it has a winchester op rod. This rifle has seen well over 50,000 rounds on the gi barrel that was on it now. Recently I fitted a Douglas heavy barrel and bedded it to a gi birch stock and a gi heavy walnut stock. It also has a set of NM sights fitted with a lockbar rear pinion assembly so I don't have to worry about anything coming loose when it gets bounced around on horseback or on the tractor. I also weld unitized the gas group and did a NM trigger job. The gas piston and op rod spring guide are made by Sadlak industries."
I myself have had a few M1A's over the years and some of the older ones with all GI parts certainly are nice.
* My Opinion* I have come to realize it is not worth spending that kind of money on a rifle with an out of spec cast receiver (and possibly s**tty newer production SAI parts). I will be using poly/norc receivers (which are available for peanuts) for my future builds. They are forged and in spec.
Do some research before you spend your dollars. If you can find a nice older M1A with GI parts that's fine......but the receiver will still be cast.
if i was thinkin of buying a springfield, your one guy who i would buy one from without hesitation
I would not buy one from a store unless i was living in the states.
if i was honestly in the market i wouyld buy one from a reputable cgn'er , used or near new, that can give you an honest low down on the rifle before you buy it. a 3 day inspection is also a good thing.
buy one from a dealer, even a reputable one, and get a lemon.... and you might be stuck waiting for springfield's infamous warranty hassles when sending a canadian M1A in for warranty.
unfortunately i have seen 7 M1A rifles in the past few months that in my opinion should have never left the springfield bench. this is not a "pro-chinese" rifle comment, it's simply a fact.
