I am looking for a Canadian importer for Bat actions. Any bright ideas? Thinking it is time to move out some of the remingtons and build a custom f-class rifle in left bolt/left port, right hand stock on a custom action. Again, any suggestions? Thanks, Don.
BAT Actions
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I have been looking at custom actions for a few years and while one side of me longs for a BAT the other side (the practical one) has other ideas.
I might be alone on this, but the more I look at BAT actions the more I am persuaded that they are best suited to benchrest applications. The stainless they use along with tolerances tigher than bullfrogs anus are not ideally combined with the dust and grit an F-Class shooter will occasionally encounter.
The Barnard is a stunning bit of quality for the dollar spent.
The Stiller is pretty nice too.
I understand the allure of BAT so ignore me if the choice is a forgone conclusion!
I might be alone on this, but the more I look at BAT actions the more I am persuaded that they are best suited to benchrest applications. The stainless they use along with tolerances tigher than bullfrogs anus are not ideally combined with the dust and grit an F-Class shooter will occasionally encounter.
The Barnard is a stunning bit of quality for the dollar spent.
The Stiller is pretty nice too.
I understand the allure of BAT so ignore me if the choice is a forgone conclusion!
Alberta Tactical Rifle, site sponsor. I had e-mailed BAT before a job loss last year about buying one of their actions, and ATR was one of the few they suggested I contact. Remember the action is only part of the battle, a barrel and *good* gunsmith are required to make it a real performer.
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I mostly agree.. my problem with the BAT's are mainly cost, but I after reading BR central over the years, one problem that crops up from time to time regarding BAT's is the galling. I know stainless steel is more prone to it, but given the price point, I'd think they'd work around it somehow. FWIW, Tony Boyer was shooting a Stiller recently.
If you
keep the locking lugs greased galling on BAT actions should not be an issue.
How many out there actually grease there locking lugs?
I will bet less than 25% of rifle owners do.
I have yet to see anyone at our local range besides BR shooters grease there lugs on a regular basis.
Oh Yah, I am the only person at our range who is interested in BR.....
I am using Prophet River to bring in my latest Bat action.
CBY
keep the locking lugs greased galling on BAT actions should not be an issue.
How many out there actually grease there locking lugs?
I will bet less than 25% of rifle owners do.
I have yet to see anyone at our local range besides BR shooters grease there lugs on a regular basis.
Oh Yah, I am the only person at our range who is interested in BR.....
I am using Prophet River to bring in my latest Bat action.
CBY
People that run BATs aren't your take em out of the closet once a year shooters. I'm sure most BR shooters know to grease the lugs, the galling issue pops up on alot of forums and I think Ian Robertson said that they check them when they arrive for galling.
Don uses one of the best gun smiths in Canada to build his rifles and Krieger barrels. He is no noob to building competetive rigs.
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- calgary alberta
As someone posted we can get BAT actions in for you, OR if you can make it the Kamloops gun show this month you can see and handle an Infidel action that may fit the bill for you as we make them to order. Being as we use 15-5 stainless there is FAR less of an issue with galling, and after the action is melonited it becomes zero galling
Now I don't know much about BAT actions but they seem to have been around for a long time...Is this galling issue that keeps coming up a verified design flaw due to material choice or one of those internet gifts that keeps on giving??
We used to do a lot of work with Titanium for receivers and the "net" was full of stories about galling this and galling that for Ti in this application. At the SHOT show endless questions about "galling" because they read it online somewhere....we never saw any galling in the lug seats on these actions yet the story persisted...
We used to do a lot of work with Titanium for receivers and the "net" was full of stories about galling this and galling that for Ti in this application. At the SHOT show endless questions about "galling" because they read it online somewhere....we never saw any galling in the lug seats on these actions yet the story persisted...
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- calgary alberta
I agree that there is alot of internet myth to contend with, that being said we have experienced a real issue with galling on actions made from 17-4.
We had several Nesika actions require replacement from bolt lugs galling badly into the actions. I have seen a few BAT actions that had galling to a degree as well.
I believe the this problem is partly due to operator error, in running fairly hot loads, and not keeping the bolt lugs greased or lubricated.
Galling can and does occur on CM actions if hot loads are used continuously and lubrication is denied to the parts.
The BR crowd has been using both BAT and Nesika for many years as you know, with not a tremendous issue. I believe the serious BR guys seem to be more into surgical clean of rifles and as they tend to run calibers that normally run 50000 CUP or less pressures they may not be experiencing the failures that running hotter cartridges that run 60000 CUP or more will have.
So knowing the potential issues makes it easier to avoid them.
