MudChucker
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Im not sure if its funny or not, I see I didnt have enough coffee this morning and spelled yard incorrectly... but Im glad I was able make you smile
IMR 4350 for .308?
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Im not sure if its funny or not, I see I didnt have enough coffee this morning and spelled yard incorrectly... but Im glad I was able make you smile
MudChucker
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thanx for the tips...
seems 4895 is just one of those powders I should have on the "go to" shelf...
I'll pick up some this week and do another work up...
cheers.
One of my long standing 'pet' loads for the .308 Win. is 48 gr. of IMR-4350 with 180 gr. Hornady RN bullets.
IMR-4064 is better with 150 gr. bullets, which I rarely use, but it also gives good service with the 180 gr. bullets.
With minor tinkering, 4350 has always worked very well with any .308 180 gr. bullet I've used in the .308 Win. or the .30-06.
IMR-4064 is better with 150 gr. bullets, which I rarely use, but it also gives good service with the 180 gr. bullets.
With minor tinkering, 4350 has always worked very well with any .308 180 gr. bullet I've used in the .308 Win. or the .30-06.
You can't load a bullet that heavy in a .308 with that powder!! It is already a compressed load with a 180 gr. The .270 has more capacity since it is still a .30-06 case and will hold ore of that slower powder.
The only rifle powders I stock, buy, or use are H335, IMR 3031, IMR 4064. I load for 7.62x39mm, .30-30, .243, .308, .30-06, .303Br and .303 BrAI. Have satisfactory results with all of them across the board.
OP, I suggest you throw that powder out!! You will never use it!! There is a convenient dumpster behind my house!! Please feel free to ship it to me and I will dispose of it for you (PM for my address)!!
Misread the post and gave info for 180gr, the load info for 150gr is as follows
308 150 gr spitzer
start load 49.0 gr 2597fps
mid load 51.0 gr 2698 fps
max load 53.0 gr 2792 fps
Loads are from a speer reloading manual, caution when loading more than start loads
308 150 gr spitzer
start load 49.0 gr 2597fps
mid load 51.0 gr 2698 fps
max load 53.0 gr 2792 fps
Loads are from a speer reloading manual, caution when loading more than start loads
Quite the contrary, 4350 is an excellentpowder for loading 200 gr bullets. Gives highest velocity of any powder, other than Re17. Check out any number of loading manuals.
Ted
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I'm currently on a canister of IMR 4895. Got a couple others (H4895, Varget, etc.) That I'd like to try out.
Wouldn't keep a rifle that shot within 2" of the bulls eye at 100 yards.SKS,Win 94 and Lee Enfield exempted..................it will be twice as bad at 200 and 3X as bad at 300 yards.Practice more or be pickier in you're reloading.It's not hard to cut MOA.Field accuracy never equals bench but mediocre bench accuracy only gets worse in the field IMO anyways.....................Harold
rnbra-shooter
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Wow, I am going to my loading room right now, I am not sure that I can even fit 53 grains of 4350 into a .308 case, nevermind room for a bullet(!) EDIT: OK, just tried it. A 158.6 grain Winchester case (lightest I could find), fired and not sized (so it's actually a bit bigger than a ready-to-load case), filled to the top with IMR 4350, held 53.1 grains. I suppose, with great care, determined use of a drop tube, minimal bullet seating, lots of powder compression etc, it may well be possible to load 53 grains into an assembled round....
That's 4MOA. If it is an honest 4MOA (meaning, all shots, any number of shots, no "flyers", no excuses), there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, in fact there's a great deal you can accomplish while shooting an honest and real 4 MOA.
Alright, here we go!! Begin RANT!! Why not?? Please pay attention! This is the reason I don't post a lot and usually just lurk. People here refuse to read the posts before they respond. They are so sure that they have the dang answer and they are right!! This is not only directed to the quoted poster, but to all of those in this thread (and every other thread on this forum) who think that they know what the OP is asking without reading or putting any thought into their answer. The OP here is asking if he can get load data for the .308 Win round!! Not if you can put 53 gr of IMR 4350 into a .30-06 case and then stick a 220 gr bullet in front of that!! Since he has a rifle chambered in a .308 Winchester, he doesn't really give a sh!+ about what you can do with a .30-06, a 270 Win, a .404 Jeffires...!!!
I have 7 manuals open before me, one of them being an IMR loading manual in front of me right now. It lists 46 gr of 4350 as a max load, compressed, for the 180 gr bullet. Cartridge is listed at max OAL. Let's compare this to the .30-06. With a 180 gr round it has a max charge of 57.0 gr compressed. With a 200 gr round it is 55.0 gr compressed. With a 220 gr round, it is 53.5gr compressed. Now the avg volume of a .308 win case is 3.43 cc and the avg volume of a .30-06 case is 4.83 cc. With a 180 gr bullet, 46gr of powder in a .308 Win case, you have a compressed load. if we were to do simple math, (and I know that this is not correct but humour me), a compressed load for the .30-06, 180gr is 57.0 gr powder while, a load for the .308 Win is 46.0. 11 grains different. Let's imagine that the same difference is found throughout the spectrum. With a 200 gr bullet, we would need 45 gr (if 46 is a compressed load with a 180 gr, then what is 45 with a 200 gr or 43 with a 220 gr?) I have tried this 46 gr fills the case. I am not a ammunition expert and more than I am a licensed mechanic, but I do know that some things shouldn't be done. When the manufacturer lists data we should be aware that is is on the safe side; however, don't just pipe in a say "well I don't know about the .308 but my .30-06 eats them fine with 53 gr of that powder!" You can't even get that much powder in a .308 Win case!! Somebody, PLEASE, tell how this is possible and why we need to hear your opinion on how a your completely DIFFERENT PET LOAD will react in a weapon the OP doesn't even own!!
PS!! PLEASE READ ENTIRE POST, THEN ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE CONTRIBUTING
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Yes, but I went one further. Now seat that 220 gr spitzer point in it to max OAL. Good luck!! BTW, thanks for the breath of fresh air in this thread.
I have that round made and can make more should any of you want me to send it to you , my treat. Maybe you could load it in your .380 Win rifle and fire it. Chrony that for me and let me know how it works out. Just asking...oh, and set up a video cam for us when you do shoot it.
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rnbra-shooter
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(Short version - IMR 4350 is probably too slow a powder for most .308 Win loadings. But for the heaviest bullets, it might either be "almost in" or "just in").
Still intrigued by this, I tried loading up a round. I threw 46.6 grains IMR 4350 (nothing magical about that, just my guess of what sort of neighbourhood a max load might be) into a Winchester case (neck sized only), with a spent primer. The powder level was in the lowe portion of the neck.
Seated a 220 grain Nosler Partition semi-spitzer. Took some work, but eventually got it to 2.800" OAL. This involves having about 0.60" (!!) of the bullet inside the case. Surprisingly, with all compression involved (and there was quite a bit), the bullet is held in place by the fairly modest neck tension that I had - it didn't immediately start springing back. Might even be possible to coax in another grain, or maybe even two.
(Now if a spitzer bullet was used, it'd be even more difficult, requiring even more of the shank to be inside the case)
Still intrigued by this, I tried loading up a round. I threw 46.6 grains IMR 4350 (nothing magical about that, just my guess of what sort of neighbourhood a max load might be) into a Winchester case (neck sized only), with a spent primer. The powder level was in the lowe portion of the neck.
Seated a 220 grain Nosler Partition semi-spitzer. Took some work, but eventually got it to 2.800" OAL. This involves having about 0.60" (!!) of the bullet inside the case. Surprisingly, with all compression involved (and there was quite a bit), the bullet is held in place by the fairly modest neck tension that I had - it didn't immediately start springing back. Might even be possible to coax in another grain, or maybe even two.
(Now if a spitzer bullet was used, it'd be even more difficult, requiring even more of the shank to be inside the case)
The load info i gave is NOT A PET LOAD, THE DATA WAS LISTED IN A SPEER RELOADING MANUAL. I have never used that load the OP asked if 4350 could be used for 150gr bullets the powder must be usable or the reloading manual would not list it.
Please read the entire thread, and you will see the picture I posted from the Nosler Manual, showing IMR 4350 loads with 200 gr bullets giving the highest velocity of all the powders listed.
I have loaded and chronographed 48 gr of 4350 with a 200 gr bullet, as listed in the manual, with no problem at all.
Reloader 17 gets even higher velocities.
Ted
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ImR 4350- 308 win
I knew there was a load somewhere... What i found was a load of 45.8 grains min to a max of 47.2 grain's of IMR 4350 with 150 grain sierra bullet in a sierra edition V manual. They used a federal case and Fed 210M primer, test Barrel length of 26" velocity is listed as 2500-2600 fps.
Not the fastest load but a deer wouldn't tell the difference.
Hope this gets you shooting!
P.s use info at own risk.
I knew there was a load somewhere... What i found was a load of 45.8 grains min to a max of 47.2 grain's of IMR 4350 with 150 grain sierra bullet in a sierra edition V manual. They used a federal case and Fed 210M primer, test Barrel length of 26" velocity is listed as 2500-2600 fps.
Not the fastest load but a deer wouldn't tell the difference.
Hope this gets you shooting!
P.s use info at own risk.
