I will chime in once more. Low recoil buck is good for only a couple of things. Number one - getting back on target fast, and two - shooting some thing wearing only pyjamas. The terminal performance of this stuff is brutal. I have had to put countless deer down with low recoil 00 buck and it is inhumane. I have resorted to keeping slugs in my patrol jacket pocket. Old fashioned, full power SSG or 00 or even better 000 buck is dynamite at close range (inside 25 yards). I have shoot countless large rez dogs, wounded deer and otherwise with that stuff and it knocks 'em down. I have also had to shoot a couple of dozen wild boars with a shotgun and I can tell you first hand that low recoil 00 buck won't get past their ribcage. Slugs were the show stopper there.
00 buck pellets?
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So I'm assuming low recoil buck is what Law Enforcement is using?
Myself, I like a little recoil
I have some #4 Buck Shot that I've been meaning to try out. I read an article somewhere that #4 Buck has the minimum acceptable penetration as defined by the FBI. Anything smaller won't go the (IIRC) 12" into ballistic gelatin that is required for FBI ammo.
I figured #4 Buck was a good balance for stopping power vs concerns for over penetration in a close quarters environment.
I figured #4 Buck was a good balance for stopping power vs concerns for over penetration in a close quarters environment.
So I'm assuming low recoil buck is what Law Enforcement is using?
Myself, I like a little recoil
RCMP is using low recoil. That stuff doesn't even hurt on one end ...
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That might be a good thing now that the RCMP has apparently abandoned any premise of minimum size requirements for it's recruits, and some of the new breed are too small to even hold a pistol properly. Yesterday I patterned some Winchester 3" 00 Buck 15 pellet loads, with the predictable results . . . but a few rounds and I was looking forward to shooting my .375 Ultra sissy gun. Now if some of the new breed RCMP were issued that stuff for their 870s they'd never qualify.
They abandoned the size requirements a long time ago, because it was a dumb policy. As for pistols, they should offer a more compact one for women, like the OPP do, and also offer carbines, as they are easier to handle. The RCMP is just flat out incompetent.
I have seen some who cannot pull the trigger on a pistol without using both hands. Didn't mean to hijack though ...
The sad part is those issue pistols have some horrendous triggers on them! Combine that with a person with reduced grip / hand strength and there will be issues. Guys, or gals.
On the low recoil ammo, the laws of physics cover that. You gotta give up something to get something. The dangerous part is the misconception that any shotgun with any buckshot / slug load is a "stopper". Too much Hollywierd there. You give up a lot of "terminal impact" with those low recoil loads. Enough to make their use dangerous to all parties involved. Take the time, train, train some more, learn how to manage the beast called recoil.
On the low recoil ammo, the laws of physics cover that. You gotta give up something to get something. The dangerous part is the misconception that any shotgun with any buckshot / slug load is a "stopper". Too much Hollywierd there. You give up a lot of "terminal impact" with those low recoil loads. Enough to make their use dangerous to all parties involved. Take the time, train, train some more, learn how to manage the beast called recoil.
What was #### Cheneny shooting? Buddy took bird shot right in the face, and looked to be pretty OK.
I agree bird shot COULD work, I'm not disputing that people have been killed and maimed by it. If I were going to choose something to stop a human target however, bird shot would be the very last thing I would grab. I'd rather the 10/22 and a 25 round banana mag over birdshot.
At the ranges you'll face inside your house, shot won't have any space to spread very far. Front to back, the absolute longest shot I could take, leaning on one wall, shooting at the opposite wall, would be 15 yards. Personally, if I were going to keep a shotgun for defensive purposes, I'd likely go with regular #4 buckshot. Still big enough to get some penetration, but not going to leave the house, enter the neighbours house and do any damage. I am a guy from Teh Interweb with over 2000 Interweb Points, so my opinion holds a lot of weight, take it for the gold that it obviously is
I agree bird shot COULD work, I'm not disputing that people have been killed and maimed by it. If I were going to choose something to stop a human target however, bird shot would be the very last thing I would grab. I'd rather the 10/22 and a 25 round banana mag over birdshot.
At the ranges you'll face inside your house, shot won't have any space to spread very far. Front to back, the absolute longest shot I could take, leaning on one wall, shooting at the opposite wall, would be 15 yards. Personally, if I were going to keep a shotgun for defensive purposes, I'd likely go with regular #4 buckshot. Still big enough to get some penetration, but not going to leave the house, enter the neighbours house and do any damage. I am a guy from Teh Interweb with over 2000 Interweb Points, so my opinion holds a lot of weight, take it for the gold that it obviously is
Good Buckshot, No idea where you'd find that. I just buy the winchester stuff from cambodian tire. Try your local gun store. Ammo is a major PITA to ship.
SFRC has ranger low recoil for $254 for 250 rounds,but who knows what shipping would tack on.
