147 less kick...faster shots...I WAS shooting 147 aims...but the company has screwed me around and their bullets have VERY inconsistent accuracy.....I have now switched to black bullets which are not only CHEAPER but a hell of alot more accuate than aim bullets
What ammo weight do you use in your production gun and why?
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It's mostly preference. If you talk to Rob Leatham, he prefers shooting big heavy .45 bullets over lighter .40 bullets. Other guys are exactly the opposite, citing faster cycle times, but I doubt Rob gives up much in the way of speed to anyone.
The lighter bullet gives a snappier feel and "seems" to return faster, so some feel they can be shot faster. The heavier bullet has less kinetic energy at a given power factor so it feels softer, doesn't flip as much, but to some it seems to cycle slower. Accepted dogma to the contrary, I'm not convinced that any human can deliberately exploit whatever minuscule difference in cycling speed there may be. In fact I'm pretty sure that either bullet weight can be shot equally as fast so long as you do the homework in advance to get fully used to the specific recoil pulse of whatever load you choose in YOUR gun...and assuming the gun is properly sprung for the load. As I've said; for me there's a big plus in not having my elbows jarred constantly so bigger is better. Also, being able to visually track the sights all the way through the recoil arc (rather than merely perceiving them start to lift and then settle with nothing in between) would make a big difference in terms of calling shots. I can actually shoot faster and more confidently that way but note that the older your eyes get, the more visual feed-back you will crave/need.
FWIW: the fastest El-Pres I ever did was with a Standard division .45 shooting 230 grain bullets and factoring 185+. I could run .11 -.13 splits with that gun on Bill drills pretty much any time. So bigger doesn't necessarily mean slower.
Hmmm, I don't want to hijack anything here but it would sure be nice if people didn't level unsubstantiated attacks against board sponsors without pressing the "think" button first.
For God's sakes, if you have a problem with a product, contact me or call the shop and we'll sort it out. Customer feedback is important; it's how we learn, and Aim has ALWAYS been willing to work with their customers to make sure they're happy. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any correspondence from you on any negative issues and I've had nothing but positive feedback from our customers on the 147 grain projectiles.
I have however helped dozens of people who didn't know that you can't crimp plated bullets too much without ruining accuracy. But they actually asked me about it.....
just to add I received a reply from Matt Mink,...he too prefers the 124gr as he feels the 147gr is too sluggish. He said the 124gr has more recoil,...but for him it shoots flat.
SO,..so far the 3 top CZ shooters in the world in production use 124gr ammunition. Something to ponder.....
SO,..so far the 3 top CZ shooters in the world in production use 124gr ammunition. Something to ponder.....
Ah, but they all have young elbows Mo! I believe I am entitled to despise them for that by the way....
and just to throw another consideration in, if you travel enough you risk ending up having to buy factory ammo at some point. My impression is that most factory 147's have a significantly higher power factor, which may change point of aim and definitely will affect what you are used to in terms of recoil and handling. and again, my impression, factory 124's tend to be closer to what we might handload. and from my few visits to shops selling ammo, more available.
personally I like 147's because they are quieter, and indoors more pleasant to shoot.
personally I like 147's because they are quieter, and indoors more pleasant to shoot.
I dont who you are? but i did call your 1 800 number and the lady refused to help me and told me tough luck
I assume you tested them on a Ransom Rest? Maybe it wasn't the bullets
actually yes I did test them on a ransom rest...
I cast my own out of a Lyman mold. The mold drops the bullets out at 156 gr so making PF only requires 3 gr of 231. Very soft shooting and at the distances we shoot at and given my ineptness at shooting they shoot flat enough for me. I haven't noticed any difference in reset times with my Shadow over using 124's. The only benefit to the heaveier bullets for me is less recoil and less need for powder which is a minor cost savings.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
Have you looked at the Aim website? That's my ugly countenance featured there.
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but i did call your 1 800 number and the lady refused to help me and told me tough luck
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Sorry, I just find that very difficult to believe. She actually refused to help you and told you tough luck? Really? With whom did you speak?
I'll reiterate standard policy: If you have a problem...ANY problem...with product you have bought from Aim, contact the shop or me and we WILL FIX IT! Period.
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Well without examining your actual loads and/or data there's not much comment I can make at this point. Too late for that now eh?
Again, the standard problem (as noted in detail on our website) when people switch to using plated bullets is over-crimping. I've had people swear up and down that they weren't doing this, and were quite surprised to find out they actually were. Problem solved.
Sorry we couldn't help you.
I should add I have used Aim bullets, both 124 and 147 gr with great sucess. Accuracy was certainly there when I did my part. What I do like about their bullets is they are consistantly the same length and diameter.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
A few weeks ago I got around to opening a box of AIM .45 230gr bullets I had bought over a year ago. The weights were inconsistent so I phoned AIM. They offered to ship out replacement bullets immediately, which from a business practice is too expensive. I dropped off my 5 boxes with Rob at a match and a couple of weeks later picked up the replacement (newest batch) bullets at the owner's home on my way through. Aim was certainly willing to spend money in an effort to make me happy. I will continue to do business with them.
I'd pay some money to see you shooting that in 9mm production gun.
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I shoot the same as ipsc1 when I shoot with the ladies & kids...147s.
Plateds for practice; Jackets for matches (when I can find them).
Why? Because ipsc1 has two of those shiny National Champion Rings in production and that's what he does.
You know, I could probably get some 158 grain TC's sized down to .355"......
Now THAT would be interesting.
Oh goody...I'd like to test my loads as well...could you arrange some time for me on the Ranson rest?
Where is it?
