Ipsc Classification System - ONTARIO

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The old system used 3 Best Scores from the last 12 Months.

2 must be Level II and 1 Must be Level III. And there must be at least 1 GM and 1 M present.

How about the New System? Anybody knows??
 
The new system will use classifier stages and be run like the USPSA system, for now we are using ICS stages because they are drawn up with Classic targets, we are wroking on developing our own stages. In the end it won't matter who shows up to a match, any match that uses the classifier stages will have the results of that stage(s) used by IPSC Ontario for classification. A Level III match will still be used as a classifier.
 
PH Racing said:
The new system will use classifier stages and be run like the USPSA system, for now we are using ICS stages because they are drawn up with Classic targets, we are wroking on developing our own stages. In the end it won't matter who shows up to a match, any match that uses the classifier stages will have the results of that stage(s) used by IPSC Ontario for classification. A Level III match will still be used as a classifier.
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So there are not best score of 3 last matches anymore? Still confuse...:confused:
 
Glock_2010 said:
So there are not best score of 3 last matches anymore? Still confuse...:confused:
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It will be based on standard stages. Your hit factor will be compared to that of the highest hit factor on that stage. I believe they are using IPSIK's results to compare against them. So once you shoot enough of the classifier stages you will have a classification based on your percentage as before. It will just be based on stages not matches.

Level III matches will count towards classifications as they did in the past, level II's will not. This "catch" helps prevent sandbaggers because they won't throw a Level III match to stay in a lower class where as they might throw a stage or two in a Level II match to stay at a lower class. A shooter may do this because the stages used tend to be of low point value and won't affect their overall score too dramatically in a Level II match, especially if there are a lot of other stages to "make up" points on. Using Level III results also weeds out the bunch that practice classifier stages to get a classification they don't deserve and can't "back up" in a match.
 
At least now, with clubs participating by including an ICS stage in many of the matches, we don't potentially go years without being classified.

I don't know what a perfect system might look like, but this one seems better than the old one.
 
SVISTI1911 said:
It will be based on standard stages. Your hit factor will be compared to that of the highest hit factor on that stage. I believe they are using IPSIK's results to compare against them. So once you shoot enough of the classifier stages you will have a classification based on your percentage as before. It will just be based on stages not matches.

Level III matches will count towards classifications as they did in the past, level II's will not. This "catch" helps prevent sandbaggers because they won't throw a Level III match to stay in a lower class where as they might throw a stage or two in a Level II match to stay at a lower class. A shooter may do this because the stages used tend to be of low point value and won't affect their overall score too dramatically in a Level II match, especially if there are a lot of other stages to "make up" points on. Using Level III results also weeds out the bunch that practice classifier stages to get a classification they don't deserve and can't "back up" in a match.
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I will got classified after the provincal this coming June with the old system.

Am I going to be affected by the new system, or I am fine.

From what you have said, is that means the new system will be much easier to get a higher class than with the old system? :confused:
 
Glock_2010 said:
I will got classified after the provincal this coming June with the old system.

Am I going to be affected by the new system, or I am fine.

From what you have said, is that means the new system will be much easier to get a higher class than with the old system? :confused:
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No not really. Unless you practice the classifier stages. Eventually it should all work out if you shoot the classifiers and a few Level III's. There are pros and cons to any system that we use. Since there are only 10 it would be easy to get a good grasp on a few. In the USPSA system they have hundreds of stages to pick from so it can be a bit harder.

If you are one of the top shooters you will still be classified as such, like Mike A, Pat H, Rob E, Mike B etc. Since the rest of us will still have our results compared against their scores on the classifier stages it shouldn't really change things that much. It will probably only affect the shooters that are very close to the "break" point of a higher or lower classification.

I think it was decided that we are starting all over, so now everyone is unclassified. Somebody correct me if I am wrong on that. If you shoot some (4) classifiers you will be classified. The Level III results will be tossed in there too and the best scores will be used to classify or re-classify a shooter.
 
We had not decided what to do with existing classes. I'm not convinced that zeroing out the classes is a good idea, though I did suggest it as a possibility. We may just drop everyone who is classed currently down a class including the GM's. Under the new system the only one who may be classed as GM would be Mike B as he is an actual GM In the US.
 
I supposed to got classified after the LEVEL III took place in the coming months, will I still be classified with the old system then?? I'm working a bit hard on that and all of a sudden drops everything??!!! OH NO....... :O
 
As far as I know everything is still working the way it did until we get the new system up and running, we need to establish HHF (High Hit Factors) for the stages, design some more stages, and get the software running that we need to properly track the classifier scores.
 
Quigley said:
Remember HFX :nest:

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All kidding aside, this is how the US does it and they've had a working system in place longer than anyone else since there is no such thing as a perfect system and most of the bugs are worked out of theirs, why reinvent the wheel?
 
PH Racing said:
As far as I know everything is still working the way it did until we get the new system up and running, we need to establish HHF (High Hit Factors) for the stages, design some more stages, and get the software running that we need to properly track the classifier scores.
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Why don't you tell me all the details, so I could start taking care of the software? :D
 
PH Racing said:
We had not decided what to do with existing classes. I'm not convinced that zeroing out the classes is a good idea, though I did suggest it as a possibility. We may just drop everyone who is classed currently down a class including the GM's. Under the new system the only one who may be classed as GM would be Mike B as he is an actual GM In the US.
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Keeping the existing class will be fair to those who'd worked their way up with the old system, IMO.:redface:
 
PH Racing said:
We had not decided what to do with existing classes. I'm not convinced that zeroing out the classes is a good idea, though I did suggest it as a possibility. We may just drop everyone who is classed currently down a class including the GM's. Under the new system the only one who may be classed as GM would be Mike B as he is an actual GM In the US.
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If this is a brand new classification system, then EVERYONE should be classed as "U" - even Mike B. He will still have his USPSA classification - which has nothing to do with ours.

What I don't understand is, who is going to set the high hit factors that we all will be compared to?
 
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