Any precision semi non-restricted, non-.223 rifles?

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Hey folks, so I have a little dilemma. I think I might have to post a similar thread under the precision target rifle forum in a little while, if I can't figure this out here.

I am looking to purchase a semi-auto rifle, tactical style.

Now, I already own a CZ-858. The reason I want another semi auto rifle, is because I want to use my CZ as a closer range rifle, and I want a second semi-auto for long distance shooting.

I REALLY wanted to buy a KelTec .308 RFB in a 32" barrel.

(Think W2000 rifle, but not as rare, not as expensive, and not as prohibited lol - Hopefully the Canadian Gov't will allow the import of Keltec. I have an uncle in the states, and might try doing that)

I was looking at the Keltec due to cost (aside from importing). I DID want to state, I don't want to blow a fortune. Let's say... $1500? Doesn't have to be a super duper competition rifle. Just good quality.

What I wanted to ask is, Are there any other Ar/Tactical black or green rifles that I can purchase, that are Larger than a .223/5/56 (I want to use this rifle for hunting on the rare occasion, for deer), and that are NON restricted?

I know the keltec would be non-restricted, since the barrel is 32" and the bullpup design seems to be OK in Canada as the FS2000 goes. (can't say the same for the Type 97 :( )

DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BULLPUP. it was just an example of one I liked. Can be more AR style, Swiss rifle style.

Anyway, any help? If you want any more details/my intentions for its use/any details I missed, ask away!

I WILL be scoping this rifle. :)

Or am I better off going the bolt action route?

Example, I want the 32" version of this rifle:

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wildphil24 said:
None of these meet his criteria of non-.223.

I see 2 good choice in .308:
-in Canada the most popular non-restricted battle rifle is the M14
-FNAR might be more accurate, less rugged
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Not too worry about the rugged. I am not going to Tora Bora.

I would like more precise/accurate.

Thanks for the info!

The m14 posted above is nice too!

To BCviking: thanks anyway! All great guns, but .223 is not my thing. (I will probably get an SL8 one day for that).

Any other options?

I might go the Bolt Action route, and look into a used Savage Bas-K or something... Blaser R93 lsr2 .308 isn't exactly in my budget haha
 
Dude, this is the precision rifle forum. It sounds like you want a tacticool semi. Factory and semi-automatic (especially together) are in diametric opposition to precision.
 
Obtunded said:
Dude, this is the precision rifle forum. It sounds like you want a tacticool semi. Factory and semi-automatic (especially together) are in diametric opposition to precision.
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Oh crap.... brain fart. My bad. This was actually supposed to be posted in the black rifle/green rifle section (read the first line of my OP, where it says "I will probably post this in the precision section..." I was occupied and thought I had clicked Black Rifles).

But to be honest, I don't want a tacticool semi... I could get an AR.

I am thinking of the keltec in a 32" barrel. I do want a semi auto, but I want a semi-auto target rifle.

Those exist, no? Or is this the only one (only what? 45-50K for that?):

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You know you may be right. maybe I should be looking at tactical Bolt rifles? Like Blaser's (ok, not the cheapest, definitely not $1500), Savage Bas-k's, Sako's....

Not sure. Is there any reason why a bolt action rifle is more precise than a semi, when it comes to higher end tactical stuff?
 
Can-down said:
You should be able to do this minus the scope for around $1500
Norinco M14
JAE stock
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The Norinco M14 is probably your best bet - you can pick one up for around $500 and tune it to be surprisingly accurate for very little money.

Unfortunately the stock pictured in post #2 with the options shown is roughly $1500 by itself - minus not only the scope, but also minus the mount, rings, rifle, bipod, monopod, and tac bolt release. The up side is that the JAE stock does contribute to a more accurate rifle, and does not need bedding. Like I said above, you can make the rifle fairly accurate with very little money - but you can also dump a lot of money into it if you want that slight extra edge in accuracy.

emilio613 said:
Not sure. Is there any reason why a bolt action rifle is more precise than a semi, when it comes to higher end tactical stuff?
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Yes there is a reason why bolt guns can be more accurate than even high end-expensive semi-autos - everything can be a lot tighter in a bolt action. With a semi automatic action you need more room for the bullets to reliably cycle through the action at high speed, so the tolerances are looser. Try touching a casing freshly fired from a semi auto action - hot right? Most of the heat was generated from the case streaching to fill the spacious chamber. Try the same with a freshly fired case out of a precision rifle - it is barely warm because there was much less stretching.
 
Re Valmet Hunter... you mean something like:

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LloydM said:
Yes there is a reason why bolt guns can be more accurate than even high end-expensive semi-autos - everything can be a lot tighter in a bolt action.
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I figured it was something to do with the precise tightness of the action...Thanks for clarifying.

Now...that does not go to say that semi cannot be as accurate as a bolt, if built up/tuned properly...right? I mean, if we are not going for competition 1/4" MOA groups, but let's say, hitting a 1 or 2 foot plate size target at... 700 meters. Is that possible?
 
The super-tuned M14s come close to 0.5" at 100 yards, but 0.75-1" at 100 yards is much more attainable and cost effective. My Norinco M14 shot 1.5" at 100 yards right out of the box (but with optics mounted) using factory ammo. So yes, hitting a 12-24" target at 700 Meters is very doable. There is a ton of info on the M14 in the 'Main Battle Rifle' section.
 
LloydM said:
The super-tuned M14s come close to 0.5" at 100 yards, but 0.75-1" at 100 yards is much more attainable and cost effective. My Norinco M14 shot 1.5" at 100 yards right out of the box (but with optics mounted) using factory ammo. So yes, hitting a 12-24" target at 700 Meters is very doable. There is a ton of info on the M14 in the 'Main Battle Rifle' section.
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Thanks! :) I will check it out.
 
LloydM said:
Unfortunately the stock pictured in post #2 with the options shown is roughly $1500 by itself - minus not only the scope, but also minus the mount, rings, rifle, bipod, monopod, and tac bolt release. The up side is that the JAE stock does contribute to a more accurate rifle, and does not need bedding. Like I said above, you can make the rifle fairly accurate with very little money - but you can also dump a lot of money into it if you want that slight extra edge in accuracy.
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Ya it's great that the JAE's start at $700 US and then they charge large for all the extra bits....

I didn't realize they were up to $1500 Cdn..... seems like a bit of a burn!

Last time I heard talk they were around $1000 Cdn but maybe that was generation 1......
 
I think it was just last year that I got my 2nd Generation JAE. I paid somewhere around $1450 CAD which included all the options visible on the stock above (recoil pad, offhand rest, cheek rest, palm rest, rail, bipod stud mount, barrel tensioner, flush cups, and handguard). I just priced it out to $1245 US on their website, but then there is import fees, exchange rates, taxes, shipping, etc. You can add even more expense by adding rails to both sides, a thumbwheel cheekrest with quick detach, spacers for the recoil pad, and upgrading to titanium recoil lugs - all that would add another $700ish US to the cost.
 
LloydM said:
I think it was just last year that I got my 2nd Generation JAE. I paid somewhere around $1450 CAD which included all the options visible on the stock above (recoil pad, offhand rest, cheek rest, palm rest, rail, bipod stud mount, barrel tensioner, flush cups, and handguard). I just priced it out to $1245 US on their website, but then there is import fees, exchange rates, taxes, shipping, etc. You can add even more expense by adding rails to both sides, a thumbwheel cheekrest with quick detach, spacers for the recoil pad, and upgrading to titanium recoil lugs - all that would add another $700ish US to the cost.
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Holy crepes that's a lot for a stock! Maybe I can find order one to my uncles in Florida, then just drive across the border with it upon my return lol.
 
But a JAE stock won't turn a Norinco M14 in a tack-driver. It'll need a few parts and gunsmith time.

With a 1500$ stock, it would make sense to buy a 2500$ M1A loaded.

The Sage stock is cheaper, lighter and chosen by the US Army (various branch) for their EBR.
 
If I will be blowing 2K on an m14 (norinco + stock), well then heck, I may as well just drop 2800 on a Savage bas-K + scope. lol

I might need to go down the Bolt action route after all. Seems you can get more for your money... or I will buy the KelTec RFB through my uncle and do a one time exemption Import. ($1800US + a few hundred fees to import)
 
wildphil24 said:
But a JAE stock won't turn a Norinco M14 in a tack-driver. It'll need a few parts and gunsmith time.

With a 1500$ stock, it would make sense to buy a 2500$ M1A loaded.

The Sage stock is cheaper, lighter and chosen by the US Army (various branch) for their EBR.
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Just swapping out the stock only, no matter which stock you swap into, is not going to turn the rifle into a tack-driver. Also count on swaping out the recoil spring and guide ($70?), shimming the gas system and smoothing the trigger out (free). Those are your most cost effective upgrades.

The JAE is just one option for a stock... for a couple hundred bucks you can get a USGI stock and bed it. Another seventyish bucks in match grade parts and you should be down to at least 1MOA. That is what I would do if I had not went with the JAE. Nothing wrong with the Sage - it is just too "cheese graterish" and jagged with all the railing for my taste... (I take no credit for the term 'cheese graterish' - this is someone elses brilliance)
 
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