What is your last ditch rifle....

Claven2 said:
If it's a last ditch weapon for the apocalypse, it needs to be simple and easy to maintain, require no spare parts that can't be made with a hand file and a scrap of steel and be reliable.

Probably I'd choose an SMLE or an SKS, or if available, a milled AK47. No optics as they break or get dirty.
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i agree plus all of those are found in every corner of the planet so parts and *ammo* would be easy to come by.and my first and second acc. would be a tactical light of some sort for my 12gauge .(in an apocalypse senario)
 
TDC said:
A smart person would select a rifle over a shotgun. Although you're right, the animal/target in question won't know the difference. What makes the difference is whether or not the projectile reaches its intended target.. A rifle is a far better option.

TDC
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I think it would also depend on how good of a hunter you are. If you're good enough you don't have to shoot animals from 100+ yards.
 
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my 444 marlin, because it can and will shoot 444, 44 rem mag, and 410 shotgun shells. all the bases covered.

second choice would be my 336RC in 30-30, mainly because i've got a $hitload of ammo for it. whatever the case a levergun for sure. very quick to cycle without relying on a semi gas or blowback system to work when it needs to.
 
FPembleton said:
That does NOT meet my definition of "super reliable".
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Heh. No kidding. All I meant to say was that I haven't had a failure to feed/eject/fire. But I have had issues with things loosening off or falling completely off the rifle. So that's why I wouldn't want to choose it over something as simple and bomb-proof as the Enfield.

greentips said:
Maybe it is time to buy an AR....an AR that works! I am sure not what kind of Combat you are thinking, but if you are thinking about zombies, a shield and a gladius probably work better than a bayonet on a steel pipe!

If you thinking about beating the crap out of your rifle, maybe you should beat the crap out of a shovel instead of a firearm.
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Never said I'd be bringing the bayonet. I honestly think it would be a waste of weight. I good hunting knife on the other hand...

Also never said I intended to beat the crap out of it. Only that I could and it would still work. I wouldn't have to baby it like I might find myself doing with my 'plastic' guns. Maybe it's just because when I look at my Enfield and the rough condition that the stock is in after 65 years of use, and feel like I could trust it to take a little more abuse without failing.

For the record I take VERY good care of my firearms. When I bought the Enfield it was pretty rough. I do not beat the crap out of my rifles.
 
damndirtyape said:
I assume he's talking about the restricted having a chrome lined bore, which the non-restricted don't have (I think).
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I suspected that was the reason. Which is complete BS. The minimal amount of surface rust has zero effect on the rifle. You'd be out of ammo before you ever rusted the barrel to the point of failure. In addition, some of the non res 858's are chrome lined, like mine.:D

toomanymachines said:
I am surprised that more people have not chosen the AK47. Lots of ammo available everywhere. I am sure I have 10 000 rounds right handy and if you had to find anything it would be the easiest after the 22 long rifle.
PS90 with a full 50 round mag and a few extra. Maybe a drum for the ak. Maybe one of my galils. But I would lean towards the 7.62x39 as I am sure it would be easier to find.
I guess an ak47, galil in 5.56x45, ps90, and a glock 18. the 3 should be able to find ammo as you travel or scour the area for food and fuel.
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As mentioned, the AK is not available in Canada. In any event, the VZ/CZ rifles are far superior to the AK and are available in Canada.

stuckon308 said:
I think it would also depend on how good of a hunter you are. If you're good enough you don't have to shoot animals from 100+ yards.
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Who said you couldn't shoot game at close range with a rifle? The weight and bulk of shotgun ammo in a very limited capacity, heavy recoiling system capable of taking birds and small game with the majority of ammunition available is far from efficient. A 22 rimfire rifle would serve one very well for hunting. Low report, no recoil, potent on small to medium game provided you do your part, and ammo is very light and compact. This being a "last ditch rifle" thread, I would opt for something in a larger chambering such as the VZ or an AR.

TDC
 
summerside sniper said:
Both my M1 Garands! No question about htat
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I was afraid i was going to be the first person to say "Uh, yeah my Garand!"

But really, it's a tossup for me, since I can grab my Norinco M1A, get a pair of pliers to "fix" my magazines, then we're off to the races.

So either my M1 or M1A, and my 1911 (ok, 2011 :p sti edge in .40)
 
Folding CZ858-2 with single point sling and tac light.


Light, durable, and a fairly heavy round...does cqb and midrange well, also can do half ass distance.

My first and last choice out of what I have(rifles).

I'd bring my Glock 22 too.
 
Greenhorse six said:
Well, now there are those of us among you who do have AKs [12.5].:D

the VZ/CZ might have better workmenship, but don't think its a "far superior" rifle.
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I forgot about those who were into the "naughty" rifles before the gov't knew about them. The VZ is definitely a better rifle than the AK, not that I would complain if I had an AK, but it wouldn't be my 7.62x39 go to gun.

Milled receiver
over 1 pound lighter
short stroke gas system
striker fired
properly placed safety
last round hold open

What's not superior about the VZ over an AK? ;)

TDC
 
TDC said:
I forgot about those who were into the "naughty" rifles before the gov't knew about them. The VZ is definitely a better rifle than the AK, not that I would complain if I had an AK, but it wouldn't be my 7.62x39 go to gun.

Milled receiver
over 1 pound lighter
short stroke gas system
striker fired
properly placed safety
last round hold open

What's not superior about the VZ over an AK? ;)

TDC
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Mags...:cool: The mags for the AK are superior in every way - especially the East European 20 rounders...
 
Most of this dosen't make alot of difference one way or the other,


Milled receiver Vs. Stamped,- both work for me.
over 1 pound lighter,- more muzzle climb during rapid fire.
short stroke gas system-it is a good system, but so is the AK
striker fired Vs. Hammer- both work for me
properly placed safety, -the Vz safety is easier to use
last round hold open- Meh, you still have to work the bolt handle after a mag change.

the Vz is more complected [ man ,what is up with all those springs?], then a Ak, strip the Ak I've got 3 parts, body cover ,bolt carrier and bolt.


another plus I like about the Vz is you can use striper clip to charge the mag,like the old C1s, thats nice.

And You forgot the "BIG" selling point, non-prohibited, and can be had non-restricted.

It does have some strong points for it ,but I wouldn't say it's a "far superior" rifle.
 
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My 858 w/ T-1 Micro, and bayonet. Rugged. Good from short to medium range. Lots of ammo around for it (at my place anyway). It ain't fancy, but it'll work.
 
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