30-06 enough for moose?

GameStalker30-06 said:
Funny that this thread has gone on for so long. That being of course, that most members of this thread already know the obvious answer to the question.
I'm sure if you wanted /if it were legal and ethical, a well placed shot at close range with a .22LR could do a moose in. :eek:
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I am surpruised about two things, The first is it hasn't hit 200 posts .....:D
The second is that it hasn't been closed because someone got a little upset because his wiz-bang 480 was decried!;):p
 
jethunter said:
There you go - those numbers are more realistic. When i read that first set of data I thought you might be a climatologist working in the global warming industry, or maybe you just weren't that good at math.... ;) Looks like this second try is more realistic data, although i still question your conclusion.

You're still claiming ballistic superiority for the 7.62 commie at 200 yds but I'm not seeing it in your data, unless you were getting confused with the 170 gr 30-30 numbers. I disregarded your 170 gr 30-30 data to make it less misleading; apples to apples, eh? Here are your 200 yd figures:
  • 150 gr. 30-30 = 1718 fps
  • 150 gr 7.62x39 = 1737 fps.
Which brings us back to the original statement that the 7.62 commie is ballistically superior to the 30-30 at practical hunting ranges. I did not agree with that statement initially and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. Neither the 30-30 or the 7.62 will ever be confused with long range hunting cartridges; both have a practical range of about 200 yards or so, and within those practical limitations neither one is markedly superior to the other. No amount of diddling with the numbers is going to change that. :)
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Nope, it won't. No matter what the numbers, I wouldn't purposefully use the 7.62x39mm round past 150 yds in my SKS, too inaccurate. However, when I get my 799 into action this summer, I may re-evaluate. I won't claim ballistic superiority, I am only saying that this cartridge is an effective hunting round in both the 125 and 150gr loads. I have also loaded it for a 220gr round for bear defense. IT IS EFFECTIVE and I get a little tired of people saying that it is no good for hunting anything but varmints and small game. BTW, I don't diddle anymore...I'm OLD now.


Just checked my copy of Bob Forker's Ammo and Ballistics 3rd Ed.
Page 137 lists commercial factory Cor-Bon 150gr Jacketed Soft Point:

MV 2300FPS 100yds 2052 200yds 1821
ME 1762 Ft/Lbs 1403 1105

Same book, pg139 lists PMC Flat Nose Soft Point Factory load
MV 2300 FPS 100yds 1943 200yds 1627
ME 1762 1257 881

So, Jethunter, apples to apples, factory offerings. The 762x39mm is ballistically superior! Sorry.
 
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rookie wildcat said:
Nope, it won't. No matter what the numbers, I wouldn't purposefully use the 7.62x39mm round past 150 yds in my SKS, too inaccurate. However, when I get my 799 into action this summer, I may re-evaluate. I won't claim ballistic superiority, I am only saying that this cartridge is an effective hunting round in both the 125 and 150gr loads. I have also loaded it for a 220gr round for bear defense. IT IS EFFECTIVE and I get a little tired of people saying that it is no good for hunting anything but varmints and small game. BTW, I don't diddle anymore...I'm OLD now.

Just checked my copy of Bob Forker's Ammo and Ballistics 3rd Ed.
Page 137 lists commercial factory Cor-Bon 150gr Jacketed Soft Point:

MV 2300FPS 100yds 2052 200yds 1821
ME 1762 Ft/Lbs 1403 1105

Same book, pg139 lists PMC Flat Nose Soft Point Factory load
MV 2300 FPS 100yds 1943 200yds 1627
ME 1762 1257 881

So, Jethunter, apples to apples, factory offerings. The 762x39mm is ballistically superior! Sorry.
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Don't be sorry, since you are now considering the more exotic/obscure factory offerings, take a look at the Hornady Leverrevolution 30-30 factory ammo with it's pointy spitzer bullet:

160 grain - 2400 fps @ muzzle, 1916 fps @ 200 yds.

That beats the corbon 7.62x39 offering by a 100 fps across the board, and with a heavier bullet to boot. ;) So sorry.
 
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I used to use the 165 grain Speer spitzers over top IMR 4350 30 years ago. Very accurate bullet and killed everything including many grizzly. I do not recall any animal ever getting away wounded.

These days I have been using the Barnes TSX.

I am considering switching back to Speer.
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Yup, good old IMR 4350 is the powder of choice with 165gr in my .30-06 also :)
 
blasted_saber said:
How is this thread still going? It was answered in the first post.
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Because out of the thousands of potential subjects the members of this forum could discuss this is one of the few where the majority of us are on the same page.

In other words it is a "fun" thread where everyone can participate without insults being flung right and left.
 
Gibbs505 said:
I am surpruised about two things, The first is it hasn't hit 200 posts .....:D
The second is that it hasn't been closed because someone got a little upset because his wiz-bang 480 was decried!;):p
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I remember something along those lines regarding a 300 win mag. What was the trolls name? wadesomething? hmmmm.... I wonder what happend to him :D
 
A very good friend of mine (a gunsmith) is of the opinion that everyone should own a Magnum of some kind. "After all," he says, "You can miss your target SO much faster!"

If we're talking personal preferences, I would go with a medium napalm strike: I just hate gutting the things and this way, it would already be cooked.

If I couldn't get that, I'd have to use..... one of my .30-'06s or .303s.
 
Win 38-55 said:
Sounds pretty handy alright. I'll bet that if you place your shot right, you don't even have to quarter them. You must have a mean muzzle brake on that rifle of yours.
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Nah, the 30mm is loud enough already... I just put a limbsaver on it and try not to shoot it off the bench... :D And with proximity fuses I don't really need to aim that carefully either!

Jeff
 
I think if I draw a moose tag this year i'll use a laser designator and a 2000lb Paveway. If the moose survives by some feat of luck i'll finish it off with a 160 garin woodleigh from my 6.5x55.
 
jethunter said:
Don't be sorry, since you are now considering the more exotic/obscure factory offerings, take a look at the Hornady Leverrevolution 30-30 factory ammo with it's pointy spitzer bullet:

160 grain - 2400 fps @ muzzle, 1916 fps @ 200 yds.

That beats the corbon 7.62x39 offering by a 100 fps across the board, and with a heavier bullet to boot. ;) So sorry.
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Sorry been away with family matters. Now to the important stuff...
Granted neither one of these rifles is a long range wonder. And I'm not going back over the numbers as you have already covered that.
You just nailed it on the head why I said the the 7.62 is superior to the the 30-30: The spitzer bullet. That being said I'm not including the the Hornady cartridge as it over came the flat or round nose normally required in a tube magazine.
And for the record (not that anybody accused me of it). Did you notice I never used the words 'greatly' or 'vastly' in front of superior. The remark was made as some think the the 7.62 is a poor choice as a hunting round; and that is true if the wrong bullet is used. But when the correct bullet choice is made it will do anything the more commonly accepted 30-30 will do. And as a matter of opinion I think it may just do it a little better. I have never conducted controlled testing to prove this point though...:D:p
 
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