Link to CFC Antique regs?

I was just thinking - for the sake of a "clean, info-only" sticky, I'll leave my ramblings up for a couple days for clarification purposes, and then delete them .

Perhaps we could add to this list any calibers people have had successfully declared antiques as they cross the border - start creating our own "Yes" list, as it were.
 
Killer Kanuck said:
Dingus - I wasn't #####ing about the buyer - I was #####ing about the seller. I figured after 2 days of holding his hand he could have given me a little more consideration than basically dropping the flag for all comers and saying"GO!".

Plus, last night I was in a "mood" ;)

At least someone here got it. Is he going to pull the bullets and send the brass too?
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I never thought about getting him to Pull the bullets.
He would have to fire off the primers to cause even primed Brass is no go for shipping.
I told him to shoot them off, If he could.
If he doesnt its not a big deal but i hope he shoots them off as that brass and that Box would be nice to have.
I deleted my Reply Rambleings LOL
 
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Perhaps we could add to this list any calibers people have had successfully declared antiques as they cross the border - start creating our own "Yes" list, as it were.
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There is a list and anything that is not on it is allowed. post a copy of cartridges of the world and blank out the 1 percent that is not allowed.

"successfully declared" makes it sound like it is somehting to debate with the CBSA. It aint they know thier jobs.
 
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Killer Kanuck said:
Perhaps we could add to this list any calibers people have had successfully declared antiques as they cross the border - start creating our own "Yes" list, as it were.
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If you read items 6 and 7 in the SOR that I posted earlier in this thread, you will find the only calibers not antique. As David pointed out; if it is not on that list, it is antique.

cheers mooncoon
 
Antique fiearm storage and display

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-209/bo-ga:s_14//en#anchorbo-ga:s_14

ANTIQUE FIREARMS




14. (1) An individual may store, display or transport an antique firearm only if it is unloaded.


(2) An individual may transport an antique firearm in an unattended vehicle only if


(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and



(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the antique firearm, is securely locked.



(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
 
SCHEDULE

(Section 1)

BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS

1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.

RIFLES

2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.

SHOTGUNS

4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.
 
Well this spring I had my Merwin, Hulbert & Co Double Action Pocket Model in .32 deregistered as an antique. It was registered as a .32 S&W Long. But I was able to kind of prove with the patent date and low serial # against rough production figures that it was made in late January or early Febuary of 1883. 13 years before the .32 S&W Long was introduced. I told this to the tech, and she told me "well calibre doesn't matter." I told her just to be clear that I use .32 S&W Long brass, but they must be loaded with holy black. So from the sounds of that, the chambering doesn't matter. Nor should it because if you tried to run a smokeless round of .44 WCF thru a blackpowder only revolver, you would have a problem. Either way I won. :rockOn:
 
Caliber does matter and you got lucky. It is the ability to chamber a factory loaded cartridge. Whether or not the gun can safely fire that shell is unimportant. Factory loaded is important because for example if the gun would chamber a factory load but the cylinder would not rotate without shortening the slug, then the gun is not chambering for that caliber

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
Caliber does matter and you got lucky. It is the ability to chamber a factory loaded cartridge. Whether or not the gun can safely fire that shell is unimportant. Factory loaded is important because for example if the gun would chamber a factory load but the cylinder would not rotate without shortening the slug, then the gun is not chambering for that caliber

cheers mooncoon
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So if an old Webley can chamber .45LC and the cylinder can freely rotate that's bad news? Based on what I've read here, many of the Webley WG's can do this...

Also, .455 Webley MkII factory-loaded ammunition is available - not common, but easy enough to get by mail. By this definition .455 Webleys wouldn't count as antique...can someone explain how this works?
 
braun said:
Also, .455 Webley MkII factory-loaded ammunition is available - not common, but easy enough to get by mail. By this definition .455 Webleys wouldn't count as antique...can someone explain how this works?
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Reread the regs it says nothing about "Available" or "not available" ammo.
 
The regulations list a number of cartridges; if the firearm was manufactured to use, or altered to use, a cartridge on the list, it does not have antique status.
.455 is not on the list, therefore any pre-1898 revolver which was chambered for .455 is automatically deemed to be antique.
 
Right. I'm familiar with the list, I had just assumed that the intent of the caliber restrictions was to prevent firearms able to fire cartridges currently in use from getting antique status.

So basically the antique firearms laws are inconsistent and arbitrary? That's a surprise.:D
 
Steppenwolf said:
SCHEDULE

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.
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So 38 WCF is not on the list. Is it antique? Or is it same as 38-40 Winchester.
 
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