First Restricted - Glock 21 vs. Norc 1911

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All my interviews and the background check for my restricted licence are done - and my newly upgraded (free of charge) R-PAL is in the mail. Hot damn.

I know I want to get something in .45 ACP for my very first pistol - sorry 9mm fans; I've had the opportunity to fire both (as well as .40 S&W) and the .45 just has the authority. Plus I'll likely be reloading for it, to cut down on costs and include it into my existing reloading hobbies for fun.

Now, I'm just not sure if I want to go with the classic appeal of the 1911 (in a Norc, mind you, Im a wee bit poor) or the reliability and high(er) tech of the Glock. I'm really torn, and I'd appreciate a vote.

Likewise, I've just moved to Nova Scotia and I've been reading up on the particulars of what I'll need to actually purchase the pistol. Im hoping to buy one used in the EE; will I still need to be a member of a gun club? Im moving (again) in a month or so to the Antigonish area, so I want to hold off signing up for a year at a club where I am now (Chester). Likely I wouldnt be purchasing the pistol for a while regardless, but I'd like to explore the options.

Thanks for any advice!

- Mike
 
have you handled either of them? i think they're quite opposite in size - the 1911 is kinda slim, the Glock is kinda fat (talking grips here). your hands might dictate which one you SHOULD buy.
 
Buy the real thing. Buy top quality guns, it will outlast you. If you buy cheap, you'll loose time and money selling it later.

My Glock 21 is one of my "ever-keep" guns. However handle it before buying because the grip is pretty large. For similar price and reliability, you could try SW MP45 or SAI XD45. Try to find which one gives you a natural point-of-aim.
For a 1911, save until you can at least afford SAI, Kimber, etc.
 
Glock gives you a full 10 rounds, a naturally fat grip, lighter weight

1911 gives you TONS of pimp parts, heft (if you like it), knowledgable user base

personally, i'd stick to the more common one - the 1911 - and make the grips fatter if they're too thin (cuz you can't make the Glock grips any thinner!)
 
If you have your heart set on a .45, get the 1911 and have Gunnar at Armco do a tuneup. You can also add any bells and whistles if you want any. This will get you a reliable, inexpensive pistol with an excellent trigger. The Norinco is a good starting point for customization.

The Glock 21 has all the ergonomics of a brick with its huge grip. Generally, Glocks are at their best in the original 9mm.

The S&W M&P .45 would definitely be worth looking at if you want a "plastic fantastic" gun.
 
In .45 the 1911 wins and there isn't a damn thing wrong with Norinco! Gunnar at Armco sells pretuned ones that are a great deal. Now personally I'd say why .45 acp? Cost you a lot to shoot, and with the 1911 you need a big ugly mag protruding from your gun to get 10 rounds! I am a glock fan and would say go Glock, but the 21 has a huge grip frame that I really don't like. The springfield XD is much nicer in .45 and is a great gun as well. What are you planning on using it for? If its just putting holes in paper go Glock 17 in 9mm.
 
bluemike807 said:
...will I still need to be a member of a gun club? Im moving (again) in a month or so to the Antigonish area, so I want to hold off signing up for a year at a club where I am now (Chester). Likely I wouldnt be purchasing the pistol for a while regardless, but I'd like to explore the options...
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The easiest process would have you a member of a gun club.

If you initiate a transfer of a restricted weapon - but are not a member of an approved gun club - the CFO will stall the transfer and advise you to join a club. You can try to prove your target shooting activity to the CFO, you can take the CFO to court, but the easiest path is simpler and cheaper. (FYI: The dues for St. Mary's Shooters Association are only $30. annually.)

Join an approved shooting club.

St. Mary's Shooters Association

Atlantic Marksmen Association

Lunenburg Rod & Gun Club

Musquodoboit Valley Rifle and Revolver Club

Captain Kidd Rod and Gun Club

Where to Shoot
 
Nestor said:
Go with the Glock 17 instead.
It's your first gun, so You want to train a lot with it.
Authority?
There is no such thing with the handguns.
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I agree with the above statement... why would you START with .45acp at $23.99 per box of 50 for ammo when you can buy a 9mm pistol and buy ammo for $12.99 per box of 50.

you can shoot twice as much for half the cost.....
 
Glock 21sf was my first restricted.

i went with .45 cuz of its street cred... and my brother had very unwisely left some 400rds .45acp at my house:D

i have small hands, but the sf felt good, and shoots well for me. i even bought a second one, after i blew up my first(my bad, no fault of the glock).

its a good gun, but so is the norc!

the norc will save you some cash at first, but you will prolly want to upgrade her soon enough (sights, 10rd mags).

the glock will be good as gold right out of the box...

the norc is easier to practice dryfiring, since its an sa with exposed hammer.

the glock is incredibly simple to operate and dissassemble.

i bought my glock partly because i am a lefty and it was "ambi". now i realise that i operate the mag release with my left hand anyways, and i am thinking more and more about picking up a 1911 of some kind...

you may need to buy both!
 
I like big calibers, but think twice about getting in to the .45 game if you don't reload...

Consider this: 1 shooting trip for me with factory .45 would burn about $150 in ammo.

That same trip with 9mm, which is so similar in terminal effect to .45 that unless you need to worry about barriers, it's practically the same round, would cost about $75.

Say you shoot once a month...over the course of a year, you are looking at a $900 difference in ammo.

I reload so I don't worry too much about caliber differences...but ammo is NOT cheap and you burn it up fast.

That said, given our mag limits, and the preponderance of 8 round mags for 1911s, a 1911 CAN be a great choice for a shooting iron...but they are VERY demanding in terms of keeping up on the maintenance schedule. If you only shoot 500 rounds a year, it probably won't matter...but if you start shooting a lot, a 1911 will burn a serious hole in your pocket if you don't watch out.

I am not a Glock expert - I shoot one as my primary handgun but it is the only one I have had. However, people who ARE Glock experts will generally put the 9mm above the .45 in terms of reliability. Again if you are a 500 rounds a year plinker this probably does not matter but it's something to think about.

Manly calibers rule...but being unable to shoot your blaster because you're broke BLOWS. I have been there!
 
i almost never use the slide "thingy", but can drop it lightning quick with my trigga finga!!!

i said small hands, not weak!

usually the slide closes fine all by itself when i slam a loaded mag home.

the glock is lefty friendly by virtue of having fewer external controls.

the g21sf also has a dual (left/right) mag release, that makes it ambidextrous (ambi) for this function.
 
just got back from the range, where i shot mostly a Glock 21 (and a bit of Taurus PT-92 / Beretta clone). liking the trigger more and more, nice distinct reset, sights big and clear and easy to line up, slide and mag release very easy to use, though maybe just a WEE bit too blocky (fat? tooooo fat???)
 
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