Why do people cut the wood off Lee enfields for?

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I was trying to do research onto the enfield that I saw in my local gun shop but I could not for the life of me find any pictures of it. All the ones I saw had full wood this one was cut down,

Finally after noticing a thread about someone who put a bigger mag on one I realized that they were the same rifle.


So that just brings me to ask why is the wood removed for? is there any reason? or what.
 
I would suggest asking in the Milsurps forum a bit further down the page, but the short answer is that Bubba likes his formerly collectible rifles light for chasing whitetail because he's too cheap to go buy a Savage 110 or Remington 742 Jam-o-matic and too unskilled to make a fine sporting rifle out of an Enfield. He's also too dumb to realize that he could sell a collectible Enfield for enough money to buy that Savage 110 or used Remmy 742 he wishes he could afford.
 
I would suggest asking in the Milsurps forum a bit further down the page, but the short answer is that Bubba likes his formerly collectible rifles light for chasing whitetail because he's too cheap to go buy a Savage 110 or Remington 742 Jam-o-matic and too unskilled to make a fine sporting rifle out of an Enfield. He's also too dumb to realize that he could sell a collectible Enfield for enough money to buy that Savage 110 or used Remmy 742 he wishes he could afford.

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could mod move the thread please?
 
I was trying to do research onto the enfield that I saw in my local gun shop but I could not for the life of me find any pictures of it. All the ones I saw had full wood this one was cut down,

Finally after noticing a thread about someone who put a bigger mag on one I realized that they were the same rifle.


So that just brings me to ask why is the wood removed for? is there any reason? or what.

They were bought by the public and commercial manufacturers in the tens of thousands after WWII and either converted to and/or sold as cheap hunting rifles. There was no value in them back then as they were a dime a dozen. They were heavy and not "fashionable" in military dress, so most were modified to resemble traditional hunting rifles.

Here we are 60 or 70 years later, and the original's are starting to become hard to find. Collectors are holding on to them and values are climbing. Quality "Bubbas" are now being sought out for restoration.

Who knows what items in our closet will be worth the most in another 50 years?
 
They were bought by the public and commercial manufacturers in the tens of thousands after WWII and either converted to and/or sold as cheap hunting rifles. There was no value in them back then as they were a dime a dozen. They were heavy and not "fashionable" in military dress, so most were modified to resemble traditional hunting rifles.

Here we are 60 or 70 years later, and the original's are starting to become hard to find. Collectors are holding on to them and values are climbing. Quality "Bubbas" are now being sought out for restoration.

Who knows what items in our closet will be worth the most in another 50 years?

When I get my PAL I have a chance to buy two that have been raped.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to restore them,

I'm also going to hunt with them to, that is what they have been made for.
 
When I get my PAL I have a chance to buy two that have been raped.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to restore them,

I'm also going to hunt with them to, that is what they have been made for.

Just note, that not all Bubba's are eligible for Restoration. Lots have snipped barrels, machined receivers, ect. Basically, to restore one, the rifle must only be lightly "rapped" by the stock being cut/ removed. If barrel is cut or receiver is machined or molested in any way (drilled and tapped is not bad) these are pretty much cheap shooters or project guns.
 
After the war and into the 60s or so, these guns were very inexpensive, in those days most considered them too heavy, too long, and awkward with the big sight ears. If people were into collecting Military rifles, they opted for rarer rifles. So they took their $20 rifles and took off alot of wood, shortened the barrel, eliminating those big sight ears which, snagged on branches, and went hunting.
 
When I get my PAL I have a chance to buy two that have been raped.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to restore them,

I'm also going to hunt with them to, that is what they have been made for.

There are also some of the better conversions that can't shouldn't be put back into military dress. They can be somewhat rare and collectible in their own right. It is usually best to seek some advice from the guru's on what you have got before you start messing with them even more. I have observed that there are definitely a few around CGN.
 
I would suggest asking in the Milsurps forum a bit further down the page, but the short answer is that Bubba likes his formerly collectible rifles light for chasing whitetail because he's too cheap to go buy a Savage 110 or Remington 742 Jam-o-matic and too unskilled to make a fine sporting rifle out of an Enfield. He's also too dumb to realize that he could sell a collectible Enfield for enough money to buy that Savage 110 or used Remmy 742 he wishes he could afford.

And there I was thinking the answer was "evil vandalism compounded by historical ignorance"...
 
back in the fifties, you could buy a large number of lee enfields, for the price of any of the savage, rem,win, So the beginer hunter,would buy it as a starter rifle, and sporterize it.But just think if everybody left them original, they would not be so collectable as they are now.
 
I used to cut the wood off if I needed it for other, more important projects. Lightens the gun up somewhat but extra weight is good if you're using to pound in tent stakes. They work reletively well for prying open boxs, as well.
 
I would suggest asking in the Milsurps forum a bit further down the page, but the short answer is that Bubba likes his formerly collectible rifles light for chasing whitetail because he's too cheap to go buy a Savage 110 or Remington 742 Jam-o-matic and too unskilled to make a fine sporting rifle out of an Enfield. He's also too dumb to realize that he could sell a collectible Enfield for enough money to buy that Savage 110 or used Remmy 742 he wishes he could afford.

BANG ON! I don't understand why people are still bubba'ing rifles. I just wish stupid was painful.
 
BANG ON! I don't understand why people are still bubba'ing rifles. I just wish stupid was painful.

Why wouldn't they?

For a modern example just look at the SKS, as it is the new Enfield. They are dirt cheap at less than $200 bucks, and there are hundreds of thousands of them out there already bought or just waiting to be bought. They won't be worth anything for at least 30-40 years, so there is virtually ZERO motivation outside of a very small group of long-term collectors hand picking the rarest of the breed. And why should they think any different?

Even the average Enfield is still a far cry from a valuable rifle. Only the rarest of the rare fetch more than $1000, with most used examples selling for maybe $500-$700, and that is still far less than many decent factory hunting rifles today. That is a terrible return on a 50 year investment. I think it will be another 20+ years before they become rare enough to be considered a worthy "investment", and none of the original buyers will be around to benefit.

I love Enfields and Mausers and all the other historic pieces. Not because they are valuable financially, but because they are priceless pieces our our history. Carried by our best people in our worst times, and each with a different and unique story. I would actively discourage folks from giving them anything but the best treatment today, but I also think it was amazing that after the end of WWII, virtually every citizen had easy access to a reliable firearm with a great past. What they did with it did not diminish the role that it played in our history, and in fact it often only served to ensure it's value would increase eventually.

If people don't bubba a few, and use a few until they are completely worn out and worthless, the rest will never increase in value. And if I was an old Enfield, Mauser, or SKS, I would rather go out in a blaze of glory than sit in a cold dark safe for the rest of my life, only to be taken out and oiled once in while. ;)
 
For a modern example just look at the SKS, as it is the new Enfield. They are dirt cheap at less than $200 bucks, and there are hundreds of thousands of them out there already bought or just waiting to be bought. They won't be worth anything for at least 30-40 years, so there is virtually ZERO motivation outside of a very small group of long-term collectors hand picking the rarest of the breed. And why should they think any different?

That's your opinion. There are NOT hundreds of thousands of these in Canada. Thousands, yes, but not more.

How do you know what they will be worth next year, 5 years from now, etc.? Look at the Danish M1 immport about 8-10 years ago. The ysold for under $200. Same rifles now trafde at the $1000 mark. thousands of those were brought in as well... ;) They made millions of them!

Your rifles belong to you. Bubba them or don't. Personally, mine will remain original if they are real military collectible rifles. I'll bet mine will end up worth more ;) Give me a pm in 20 years and we'll see who was right - LOL.
 
Returning servicemen found the 303 an ideal tool for putting meat on the table, and what was called ''sporterizing'' was really just cutting down weight, esthetics had nothing to do with it.And for those who look down their nose at people who did-just remember if ordinary working people who ''bubba'd'' their 303's HADN'T-those that WEREN'T would be worth a whole lot LESS.Besides how many kids were introduced to hunting and shooting as a direct RESULT of ''sporterizing ''a readily available military rifle? I make no apologies to todays ''politically correct''milsurp purists for the many happy hours I spent cutting, filing sanding and finishing my Sears catalogue $8 303...

Last week I bought the most beautiful example of a ''bubba'd'' 303 I have ever seen,stamped US PROPERTY No4mk1*,but the metal work untouched[probably unfired,too],no holes drilled nothing cut off.All I will do is tap out the front blade and install a fiber optic sight which should go well with the original peep sight so I can shoot it.If anybody in the future wishes to ''desporterize''it-all they have to do is put back the original blade sight, replace the wood-everything else is untouched
 
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