Decisions Decisions - Traditional Canadian Hunting Rifle

Another vote for the 30-30 from me. Not that i've necessarily been to your part of nova scotia but i've been there and seen first hand that yes, indeed, you guys do have some thick stuff around there. It reminded me of here a lot except for all the swamps we have. I don't know if you guys have em over there. I'll be picking up a 30-30 or .32 special some time soon for carrying threw the thick stuff.
 
You guys have all got it wrong you need one of these it is a non-restricted Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc (.277" cal) = 110gr Prohunters @ 2650fps...

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I was sitting up in a logging cut this afternoon with my 3 year old son taking a break from black bear hunting when I spotted a nice 6" circular rock 260 yards away so I had to take a few pot shots at it first shot was 5" high and the rest hit the rock...

I'll be switching to 95gr TTSX as soon as they arrive should get another 100 - 200fps higher velocity and they will expand down to 1600fps making this a 450 yard deer rifle/cartridge combo if I can put together an accurate enough load...


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Camp Cook said:
You guys have all got it wrong you need one of these it is a non-restricted Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc (.277" cal) = 110gr Prohunters @ 2650fps...

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I was sitting up in a logging cut this afternoon with my 3 year old son taking a break from black bear hunting when I spotted a nice 6" circular rock 260 yards away so I had to take a few pot shots at it first shot was 5" high and the rest hit the rock...

I'll be switching to 95gr TTSX as soon as they arrive should get another 100 - 200fps higher velocity and they will expand down to 1600fps making this a 450 yard deer rifle/cartridge combo if I can put together an accurate enough load...


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I'm sure you like your toy but it isn't a hunting rifle, it's a pseudo military thing and like it or not seeing someone hunting with these is one of the things that totally freaks out non hunters and non gunowners. Besides, a 95 grain bullet .270 calibre is a super short projectile and won't penetrate well as well as being blown all over the place by a light breeze at long range. Keep it on the range and buddy in N.S. should get the 94 carbine, in my opinion.
 
My rifle in the pic is a hunting rifle... I own it for no other reason and I also do not care what an uninformed emotional spewing anti has to say about it or will I consider your closed minded/uninformed opinion it is legal to hunt with it so I will...

About the capabilities of the cartridge/bullet you should look into it before you start making comments about a subject you obviously haven't a clue about... :p

I don't know which is worse an uniformed emotional spewing anti or an uniformed emotional spewing firearms owner... :rolleyes:



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Mike Webb said:
I'm sure you like your toy but it isn't a hunting rifle, it's a pseudo military thing and like it or not seeing someone hunting with these is one of the things that totally freaks out non hunters and non gunowners. Besides, a 95 grain bullet .270 calibre is a super short projectile and won't penetrate well as well as being blown all over the place by a light breeze at long range. Keep it on the range and buddy in N.S. should get the 94 carbine, in my opinion.
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I live in NS and I don't think you will have many opportunities to get a clean shot at a deer beyond a 100 yards in our brush!

The woods are thick, and even longer barreled rifles are a ##### to work with in the woods. As for caliber, I prefer .308 its heavy enough not to be deflected by grazing one of the billions of branches between you and your target, and it has great stopping power for bear, deer and moose. Plus you can find .308 anywhere, even Canadian tire stocks it!


I'm sure you like your toy but it isn't a hunting rifle, it's a pseudo military thing and like it or not seeing someone hunting with these is one of the things that totally freaks out non hunters and non gunowners.
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The M14 and Enfield were not designed with deer in mind...

Regarding the debate on "black guns" and hunting..., like it or not, antis hate all guns equally and no they will not favor a "scary looking" M14 or enfield over a scary looking XCR. Don't forget the M14, the Enfield and etc are military rifles to!

In the end they all drop deer so whats the big deal? the XCR and M14 have some benefits over the others your looking at. The XCR has lots of options as far as accessories go, its a modular and compact system with synthetic stock and its short length make it great for navigating the this bush on the east coast. I almost bought a ruger mini-30 at the sporting goods expo because of the barrel length and the overall fit and finish of the gun plus a synthetic stock! (plus I like magazine fed guns)

Its these perceptions still held by some hunters and the general public that prevents people from hunting with AR's in Canada. In the states where AR hunting is allowed, it has become the gun of choice for many people and there have been no incidents yet that would call challenge the use of Hunt specific AR's. In the end they are all guns, they all go boom when you pull the trigger, they most often fire the same ammo, and in Canada they are all going to be capped to 5 rounds maximum. So what is the difference between the AR-10 in .308 and a Woodsmaster 742 in .308?

just my .02,
 
As soon as my house sells as a present to myself I am ordering a 21" factory tapered stainless steel barrel in 6.8spc spec 11 chamber with a 1-11" twist rate for my T/C Contender carbines this will be for my wife and when he gets older my little guy...

Yeah thats right there Mikey I actually own all styles of hunting firearms from single shot/lever/bolt/semi...


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Personal preference aside, I don't see how anyone that's handled both could recommend an M-14 or XCR over a 94 carbine for weight, balance and handling. They are not even in the same league. The OP asked which would be better, a 94 or a Lee-Enfield. To me rifles that were designed as hunting guns are superior in the field to rifles that were designed for military use. The two use an entirely different set of criteria. That's why countless thousands of Lee-Enfields, Mausers and Springfields have been cut down and modified for hunting. Camp Cook, I don't much care what you choose to lug around the woods, you can kill a deer with a 1000 Yard bench rifle but it don't make it a deer rifle.
 
Mike Webb said:
Camp Cook, I don't much care what you choose to lug around the woods, you can kill a deer with a 1000 Yard bench rifle but it don't make it a deer rifle.
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WOW you are misguided you do know that the Lee Enfield and almost every other firearm is a military rifle/cartridge design don't you... :p

and FYI there Mikey the other rifles/cartridges I had with me and that I was plinking with @ 450 yards a little later in the day was my modified 8lbs 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM loaded with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps and I even had a 14" barreled T/C Contender carbine in 45 Colt with me that my 3 year old was shooting (with my help of course)...

To me a firearm is a firearm it is the intended purpose that makes it a military firearm and not the design because and yes I know I am repeating myself are all derived from military designs...

Here are a couple links to the .296 BC 95gr TTSX for the viewing enjoyment of those that say this is not a long range capable rifle/cartridge combo for deer... ;)

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Form is not indicative of function.

I would rather have a XCR with a synthetic stock that is tough, durable, resistant to water damage and tree sap, than ruin the finish on my browning. :lol:

Give one valid reason why a XCR/M14 chambered in 6.8SPC or .308 would not make a good deer rifle in thick brush?

I am not telling him what to buy, I am just saying I disagree with the argument put forward that a rifle is not acceptable for hunting because of the way it looks.

Ruger Mini 30 all weather is based on the Garand action/M14, chambered in .308 and is a decent rifle for thick bush... why is it not a "Deer rifle"? How is it different from a Browning BAR ? (also a military design) or a 750 woodsmaster? or one of the many other semi auto rifles on the market?

I don't have an XCR, a M14 or a mini, I do have a model 70 featherweight and a 742 woodsmaster which are traditional deer guns IIRC. I would not hold it against anyone to hunt with an AR, XCR, ACR, M14 if they are using a caliber that is ethical for the game they are hunting.
 
Looks like something one would see at the PoCo gun range. Pimp that rig with a flash light, night vision and some doo dads and then post pictures.


Camp Cook said:
You guys have all got it wrong you need one of these it is a non-restricted Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc (.277" cal) = 110gr Prohunters @ 2650fps...

img_9185.jpg


I was sitting up in a logging cut this afternoon with my 3 year old son taking a break from black bear hunting when I spotted a nice 6" circular rock 260 yards away so I had to take a few pot shots at it first shot was 5" high and the rest hit the rock...

I'll be switching to 95gr TTSX as soon as they arrive should get another 100 - 200fps higher velocity and they will expand down to 1600fps making this a 450 yard deer rifle/cartridge combo if I can put together an accurate enough load...


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bluemike807 said:
Im torn - and need advice.

A local hunting store has a bunch of No1 Mk3 Enfield Sporters, though Im not jazzed with the look of any of them, and a pre-1964 (spec. 1948) Winchester 94 in really good condition - for $400. Its got my eye, thats for sure, but I've always wanted an Enfield (ideally a full wood version)

What do I do? And also - if I do go with the '94; what do I look for to make sure its a decent one? Is $400 a decent asking price?
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Don't hesitate, don't delay! Grab that '48 94 or somebody else surely will! A perfect gun for what you are doing, at an excellent price! I have 2 '49's, and they will be mine forever!
 
Shucks I only have 1 pre-64 M94 in 30-30... I hunt with it as well. :D

I have to ask other than looks & reliability what is the difference between a Rem 740/7400/750 and an XCR?
 
c0ntract said:
Form is not indicative of function.

I would rather have a XCR with a synthetic stock that is tough, durable, resistant to water damage and tree sap, than ruin the finish on my browning. :lol:

Give one valid reason why a XCR/M14 chambered in 6.8SPC or .308 would not make a good deer rifle in thick brush?

I am not telling him what to buy, I am just saying I disagree with the argument put forward that a rifle is not acceptable for hunting because of the way it looks.

Ruger Mini 30 all weather is based on the Garand action/M14, chambered in .308 and is a decent rifle for thick bush... why is it not a "Deer rifle"? How is it different from a Browning BAR ? (also a military design) or a 750 woodsmaster? or one of the many other semi auto rifles on the market?

I don't have an XCR, a M14 or a mini, I do have a model 70 featherweight and a 742 woodsmaster which are traditional deer guns IIRC. I would not hold it against anyone to hunt with an AR, XCR, ACR, M14 if they are using a caliber that is ethical for the game they are hunting.
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Not talking about the way it looks, I was talking about balance, light weight, short overall length,fast handling. All the attributes of a fine brush rifle, the 94 carbine has them and the m-14,XCR do not, pretty simple. People can run around the woods with just about any military rifle that's legal but I don't believe they are the best choice at all. BTW the Browning BAR bears no resemblance to the WW2 squad automatic weapon, the action is totally different.
 
Mike Webb said:
Not talking about the way it looks, I was talking about balance, light weight, short overall length,fast handling. All the attributes of a fine brush rifle, the 94 carbine has them and the m-14,XCR do not, pretty simple. People can run around the woods with just about any military rifle that's legal but I don't believe they are the best choice at all. BTW the Browning BAR bears no resemblance to the WW2 squad automatic weapon, the action is totally different.
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I think you missed my point... by a mile.

I know the Browning BAR that is sold for hunting deer is not the same as the WWII automatic model.

My point was that the current BAR that is sold in Canada is semi auto, holds 5 rounds in the clip, and is in theory the same gun as an AR 10/M14. I do not mean they operate the same way, I am not saying the BAR is DGIS or that they have a similar look or design.

What I am saying is that they are both firearms, they both shoot the same cartridge, they both have the same lethality and they both can serve the same functions.

I am not advocating for you to hunt with any particular gun, I just disagree with the statements made that "black rifles" have no place in the woods.

On another note, I do think a model 94 carbine would be a great gun, I have used my fathers before and it was pretty accurate and fun to shoot but I am not a fan of lever actions personally. .30-30 is a great cartridge and packs a big whallop to!


Anyway good luck this season! Also what area of NS are you located in?
 
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