.223 vs .308

Hey fellas,

I have a low-post count but I've been stalking the place for a while! I'm new to the business of Precision shooting and you all probably had to go through with this often but even after searching the forum I couldn't find anything helpful. You see, I'm about to purchase a Remington 700 SPS Tactical rifle for my beginner long-range shooting hobby and can't find anything worth reading regarding both calibers. Some people swear by larger caliber and others seem to have it done for the .223s.

So what can I expect from the two? I'm one step away from making the deal and was going for the .308's stopping power but I'm more into tactics than shear power so if the .223 has something speed/precision/tactical related more to offer I will be considering it with a lot of heart.

Thanks so much for any help you pros can provide. ;D

this one is easy...

new shooter that is "into tactics", = .223:dancingbanana:
 
Big difference between hitting something and breaking it to bits.

had a lot of fun chasing a 338 LM out to 1435yds last summer. We hit the same rocks even with a bit of wind.

Little doubt the 338 LM hit a whole lot harder.

If you are plinking, punching paper or gongs, there are plenty of options.

If you want to hunt LR, bigger is better.

But bigger is not always more accurate.

Jerry


Do you happen to have any pictures of the rig you used last summer? What was it?

Thanks
 
.223 1000yrds

I shoot my 223 to 1400+yds.

Ballistically, they are twins. 1/2 the cost, 1/3 the recoil, double the number of shots before barrel gets too hot, can spot my own hits at silly distances, sub MOA accurate WAY out there.

Jerry

I'm very lucky that Jerry lives 20mins away from me as he took me and my boy out for my first time ever shooting .223 at 1000yrds. Jerry is a person that you want to listen to as he is very knowledgeable and won't give advise unless he has proven it himself.
 
If you are just starting out you may develop some bad habits with the 308. The milder recoil of the .223 might be better for you.
 
I have 2, 223s and 1, 308 for target shooting/longrange.

I haven't had my one operational 223 past 200 meters yet. My 308 I've had out to 1,000 yards 3 times. Both have been to 500 yards once.

Start with the 223. You will be shooting at closer ranges while getting started. Learn good shooting techniques at 100, 200 and 300 yards. Whatever ranges you have to work with.

Get into reloading because match ammo is more expensive and tough to find in 223 right now.

Best way to learn is to get out and shoot.

Get a 223 and then a 308. Then a 260 Remington. Then a 300 Win Mag. Then.................... ;)

As mentioned before, Mysticplayer's advice is good stuff.
 
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If you look on my website in rifle tech, you can see the link to the full article on the build.

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
I'm going to argue the .308 for new shooters.
Here's why. I learned on a .308. Winchester model 70 with Weaver 4x scope. Three positional shooting at 100 metres. We had small girls in our troop that were able to shoot the .308 without issue. A heavier target .308 that has a stock which fits the shooter shouldn't be too much recoil. That being said if they aren't shooting it properly then yes it won't be comfortable.

One of the problems that I frequently dealt with at my last residence (Northern BC) was wind. Days without wind were fairly rare. I found that my .308 rifles did fairly well.

Also for a beginner shooter, your unlikely to be reloading right off the bat. I've found finding match grade ammo off the shelf for .223 a real pain. There isn't much of it, it's very expensive and the results haven't been that great for me. For pretty much all of my .223 rifles I'll need to reload if I want good accuracy. While many off the shelf .308 rifles shoot Federal Gold match 168 grain very well.

Obviously guys like Jerry know what they're talking about, and have the experience to make things happen. That being said, will a beginner? I know for me, the .308 gave me the confidence that I could actually shoot. I was having a pretty rough time when I started out with .223. The .308 on the other hand always put a big smile on my face.
 
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