Encounter with a Game Warden

Just talked to a CO and he stated that if you are in the truck, in control of the gun, you do not need a trigger lock. If you leave the truck, without the gun, you need "two" locks; trigger lock and truck must be locked and also recommended out of sight. This is federal ,not provincial.

Cheers
 
Mr. Bean said:
Just talked to a CO and he stated that if you are in the truck, in control of the gun, you do not need a trigger lock. If you leave the truck, without the gun, you need "two" locks; trigger lock and truck must be locked and also recommended out of sight. This is federal ,not provincial.

Cheers
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I thought as long as it's 'out of sight' a non-res. doesn't need a trigger lock?
You don't need a plug unless you're hunting.

You showed more patience than I would have been able to.:)
 
From the CFC...

Leaving Any Class of Firearm in an Unattended Vehicle

* Lock non-restricted firearms and locked containers carrying restricted or prohibited firearms in the trunk or in a similar lockable compartment.

* If the vehicle does not have a trunk or lockable compartment, put firearms and firearm containers out of sight inside the vehicle and lock the vehicle.

* If you are in a remote wilderness area and cannot lock your non-restricted firearms inside your vehicle, unload them and put them out of sight. Attach a secure locking device unless they are needed for predator control.
 
as it reads...to me, is that it does not need a lock as long as it's out of sight. UNLESS it is located in a "remote wilderness area". Which begs the question, who's definition of a remote wilderness area does that fall under. In almost every case, that decision falls to the guy with the badge, because it is "as the law reads" same as all other laws and acts.
 
Mr. Bean said:
Just talked to a CO and he stated that if you are in the truck, in control of the gun, you do not need a trigger lock. If you leave the truck, without the gun, you need "two" locks; trigger lock and truck must be locked and also recommended out of sight. This is federal ,not provincial.

Cheers
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I think he needs to reread the firearms laws here.
 
janesy said:
From the CFC...

Leaving Any Class of Firearm in an Unattended Vehicle

* Lock non-restricted firearms and locked containers carrying restricted or prohibited firearms in the trunk or in a similar lockable compartment.

* If the vehicle does not have a trunk or lockable compartment, put firearms and firearm containers out of sight inside the vehicle and lock the vehicle.

* If you are in a remote wilderness area and cannot lock your non-restricted firearms inside your vehicle, unload them and put them out of sight. Attach a secure locking device unless they are needed for predator control.
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SO... if he does not have a trunk, he can cover the gun up in a jacket, blanket or gun case and lock the doors of the truck.

If he must leave the gun unattended in a remote wilderness area, as in fly in or on horseback/hiking. They must be unloaded and out of sight and locked if necessary.
 
I would consider Westree, ON a remote wilderness area. We moose hunt up the Meteor Rd.

AFAIC you did nothing wrong. Next time, pack a few targets in the case with you. This way if the CO gives you a hard time you can say you were going to shoot some targets later.

No rule about having a plug in the gun since you were not hunting.
 
You're missing the last 2 works in that CFC pamphlet, "predator control". That being said, target practice is a universal reason, and as far as trigger locks go, No if you are anywhere near (in control of) the gun, as it is considered "in use" but Yes if you are not.
 
First of all, The shotgun does not require a plug if the only ammo present is a single projectile type (slugs) 2nd, you can carry that thing anywhere in Canada whenever you want as per the RCMP transport laws under bill C-68
Pickup the pamplet from your local OPP called "Legal Transport and Storage of Firearms"
and carry it with you in your truck at all times. The C.O s in Ont are dicks mostly that think they can intimidate sportsmen at will. Leaving the gun in the truck as long as every reasonable effort has been made to keep it out of sight is perfectly legal as per Federal Firearms Law, and the C.O are enforcing Provincial Law. They cannot overide federal law and if I were in that scenerio I would insist that the CO call the RCMP to send an officer to the scene. If he would not then I would tell him to bugger off.
 
hmm, does it ???

janesy said:
as it reads...to me, is that it does not need a lock as long as it's out of sight. UNLESS it is located in a "remote wilderness area". Which begs the question, who's definition of a remote wilderness area does that fall under. In almost every case, that decision falls to the guy with the badge, because it is "as the law reads" same as all other laws and acts.
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The C/O can only ticket you for the possibility of an infraction.
Only in a Court of Law can you Charged and Convicted.


It is a moot point , but a point none the less.
As for the original poster, you where quick to answer the way you did.
Because if you said for protection from Bears, it would be grounds for further investigation.
Why would you need protection from bears if you where not expecting to see bears, it makes for a slippery slope when dealing with C/Os'

One would think that the C/O you spoke with the day before would have the intestinal fortitude to just ask where the gun is and that would have been enough, but it sounds to me he was either close to a promotion or a rookie looking for advancement . To which you are not the lucky one making his day.
Rob
 
Mike Oxbig said:
Why should it need a trigger lock?
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A few years back, a retired peace officer had his pickup parked along a highway not far from where I was working. Some sh!thead$ broke into his truck and stole some stuff. They left a rifle that was covered up on the floor in the back seat. It was trigger locked...... And, yes, they did find the rifle, but passed on taking it.
 
FLHTCUI said:
The C/O can only ticket you for the possibility of an infraction.
Only in a Court of Law can you Charged and Convicted.


It is a moot point , but a point none the less.
As for the original poster, you where quick to answer the way you did.
Because if you said for protection from Bears, it would be grounds for further investigation.
Why would you need protection from bears if you where not expecting to see bears, it makes for a slippery slope when dealing with C/Os'

One would think that the C/O you spoke with the day before would have the intestinal fortitude to just ask where the gun is and that would have been enough, but it sounds to me he was either close to a promotion or a rookie looking for advancement . To which you are not the lucky one making his day.
Rob
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Absolutly right, But I would rather not deal with the BS. I leave my gun unlocked in the truck all the time, but when I go to the cottage and its in the truck, I lock it. It's not remote , but it's a 15 minute drive off the largest road, surrounded by trees and lakes. It's remote to someone.

To me remote means something completly different from a guy living in the TO who vacations on Lake Simcoe. It's relevant to who is issuing the ticket. You may not be charge but why deal with the crap if you don't have to.

just another useless law I guess.
 
why should you have to have paper targets to be target shooting?-some guys shoot cans.I'd be far more concerned if they found a shotgun in a truck downtown at 1am -a guy out fishing isn't likely to be posing any threat to anybody...
 
I don't have it in front of me, but there is a cross-over here (in ontario anyway) with the Fish And Game Act and their definition of possesion and use of firearms "in areas where hunting" is allowed. A trigger lock may have been required because the shotgun was in the truck and not with you, therefore in storage. If it was with with you, then it is generally up to you to prove you were not actually "hunting", with or without a hunting license and a season. A long time since I read it, but even things like pellet guns can have a firearm description depending on where you are and what you are doing. I believe a small game license becomes your "carry permit" under the fish and game act and therefore there had better be something in season. If you were at camp obviously shooting at tree branches and twigs then it wouldn't be hard to prove target shooting. All depends on the use at the time the CO checks on you.
 
Wow that's weird.

I called and talked to a CO in Aylmer, Ontario, to ask about target shooting on crown land and in hunting/non-hunting zones. Bottom line is, they need to prove you are poaching or hunting, or they really have nothing else to say to you.

And you do NOT need to lock your non-restricted gun while in transport.
 
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