Well, gonna be potentially buying a smoke stick. However I really dont know much about them to be honest. I have only recently started looking at them and doing some general inquiries about them, but would rather have a non salesman point of view. Have a couple of friends who have just last year bought a Thompsons, but I have no clue what model. I was also eyeing up a Traditions. In everyones personal experience what would you recommend. I have seen ones with a speed breech and ones that you need a tool to undo the breech for cleaning. What powders are better than others, after how many shots do you have to clean etc. I could go on for hours, but I suppose it would be easier for everyone to just tell me, the newb to these, what basics I may need to know etc. Well thanx and I look forward to learning alot about these things.
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Here's my biased opinion.
Traditions and thompson are a waste of money ....unless you like stress those tiny locks are so finicky....BEYOND finicky actually.
Get something with a BIG lock, maybe start with a smooth-bore military musket.
If you want a decent beginners rifle in traditional styling, get a pedersoli Kentucky or pennsylvania."there was a couple of em in the EE a week or so ago going for a really good price"
I have owned and shot all kinds of flintlocks my favourite right now is a tie between my 66 charleville and my bess both are smoothbores both shoot better then alot of rifles.
Theres NOTHING on this earth more maddening then a crappy flintlock...especially when your deep in the woods.
Spend the extra money and get something -good- that uses a 3/4 of a inch flint minimum, load up on REAL black english flints and REAL black powder...then practice-practice practice.
Traditions and thompson are a waste of money ....unless you like stress those tiny locks are so finicky....BEYOND finicky actually.
Get something with a BIG lock, maybe start with a smooth-bore military musket.
If you want a decent beginners rifle in traditional styling, get a pedersoli Kentucky or pennsylvania."there was a couple of em in the EE a week or so ago going for a really good price"
I have owned and shot all kinds of flintlocks my favourite right now is a tie between my 66 charleville and my bess both are smoothbores both shoot better then alot of rifles.
Theres NOTHING on this earth more maddening then a crappy flintlock...especially when your deep in the woods.
Spend the extra money and get something -good- that uses a 3/4 of a inch flint minimum, load up on REAL black english flints and REAL black powder...then practice-practice practice.
My suggestion...get an in-line (TC's are good)
A BP newbie could get very discouraged trying to start with a flintlock.
Side-locks are not too bad for beginners but generally have a slower twist (1:48) and are best used with conicals.
In-lines are easy to clean (removable breech plug), weather resistant, easy to scope, and almost all will shoot <2.5"/100yards.
But they really P.O. the traditional crowd.
MOST importantly...find someone who knows what they are doing, and watch/ listen/ learn from them.
Here's my biased opinion.
Traditions and thompson are a waste of money ....unless you like stress those tiny locks are so finicky....BEYOND finicky actually.
Get something with a BIG lock, maybe start with a smooth-bore military musket.
If you want a decent beginners rifle in traditional styling, get a pedersoli Kentucky or pennsylvania."there was a couple of em in the EE a week or so ago going for a really good price"
I have owned and shot all kinds of flintlocks my favourite right now is a tie between my 66 charleville and my bess both are smoothbores both shoot better then alot of rifles.
Theres NOTHING on this earth more maddening then a crappy flintlock...especially when your deep in the woods.
Spend the extra money and get something -good- that uses a 3/4 of a inch flint minimum, load up on REAL black english flints and REAL black powder...then practice-practice practice.
Kinda sounds to me like he's looking at getting an inline. If so, I agree. there are so much more reliable than them old/replica smokepoles.
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- Algoma region
A inline....on purpose???
A good flintlock will do anything -within 75 yards and beyond- a in-line will do and it has the unequalled bonus of not being a in-line
If your going to get into black powder why not go with the weapons of the black powder period??
If your not into flintlocks why not get a percussion arm dont like those either ....we have arquebuses!
Traditional arms indeed take more skill and more of a deliberate presence of mind- but are these not the most precious qualities of any proper quality shooter??
Lots of guys like the modern inline muzzleloaders..I can't in all honesty understand why....
There all plastic and ....plastic....with cellphone styling.
What I would really like to know is just why the in-lines and the ones with 12x scopes and all the rest of that cr.... let's call it 'stuff', are considered as 'primitive weapons'..... and a genuine Snider or '71 Mauser or Werndl is NOT.
Can anyone answer me that?
Advice regarding a BIG lock is good: less STRESS on those little cast parts, bigger things to grab onto when your hands are chilled to the bone.
Everybody wants to be a 'primitive hunter' but they have all forgotten that Dan'l Boone didn't have his pockets full of chemical heat-packs!
Can anyone answer me that?
Advice regarding a BIG lock is good: less STRESS on those little cast parts, bigger things to grab onto when your hands are chilled to the bone.
Everybody wants to be a 'primitive hunter' but they have all forgotten that Dan'l Boone didn't have his pockets full of chemical heat-packs!
Part of your choice depends on whether you simply want a longer or earlier season (if you hunt in those provinces with a special black powder season) or if you want a new experience by hunting with a traditional muzzle loader. Inline rifles may qualify as primitive guns in those provinces with special seasons, but they can hardly be called anything but modern rifles with caseless ammunition. Traditional guns loaded with round ball to varying degrees mimic original guns but also have a more limited range than inlines, for those who are just looking for a longer season.
cheers mooncoon
