ACOG, Mepro M21

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Greetings, I have a question. I see a lot of negative comments on the M21 (ships with Tavors) regarding visibility problems when the shooting is in the shade, aiming at a target in bright sunlight. I can confirm that under certain situations, it's not perfect.

Now I am looking into options to replace it (maybe) and I saw these ACOG models. But from what I can see, the ACOG uses quite the same technology, where ambient light is used to illuminate the reticule. Yet I have never read any comment like on the M21.

Is it that the ACOG gathers more light? Or is it just a smaller user base in Canada then M21s?

ACOG owners how to you like the illumination on these? Any owner of both ACOG and M21 can compare them? Or maybe the magnification makes that problem less of an issue?

Thanks! Nic
 
Aimpoint basicly outdated every tritium-fibre optic powered reflex sights outthere, whether they are made by Mepro or Trijicon. The issue about battery life has been moot for a decade.

Aimpoint is ahead of everyone in this department by generations. The proper action of dealing with Mepro M21 or the Trijicon Reflex is to detach it from the rifle and toss it into the can.
 
Got to say I enjoy my ACOG with it's piggy back friend Burris Fast Fire II. Not excately my set-up but almost the same;
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Just a Burris instead of the Dr.Optic & I have a protective wing's for it getting smashed.
 
Which ACOG are you talking about ? I assume you are talking about Trijicon Reflex? ACOG is a different animal - it is apple to orange to put it in the same sentence as Mepro 21

ACOG has many models - they are mostly magnified and the recticle is etched on the glass. They work like regular sight but they are also illuminated by fibre optics. Anything that starts with TA are good to go. ACOG works.

Trijicon reflex sight (RX)is powered by tritium and fibre optics. It is where Mepro 21 got the idea from. They both suck. The original trijicon reflex really sucks. The newer Mepro Sucks. The new Trijicon 1X42 model sucks less but still sucks.
 
I'm not a big fan of the 4 moa dots on the aimpoint sights. Most of my shooting is at the range, and I like having the ability to use a 1 moa dot. Which is why I prefer the Eotech over the Aimpoint.

The new M21 has a 1 moa dot in the middle. Overall I prefer my Eotech 553, but... The M21 doesn't need batteries. If you were into home defense types of setups I'd go with the M21, nothing to turn on. Just pick it up and go. Unless you're shooting from a very dark place into a bright place then it works great. In bright areas, the reticle is very bright. At night it's decent too (The tritium of course will lose it's brightness though over time).

I don't think the M21 sucks. In fact it's sitting on my Non restricted heavy barrel Beretta Storm 9mm right now, and is an excellent match for the firearm.
 
I don't really understand this fascination with the 1 MOA Eotech center. I had a 553 and I didn't find the 1 MOA dot noticeably more precise than the sub 4 MOA Aimpoint micro. I also found that the Eotech's center was probably bigger than 1 MOA.

Then again, I never shoot a red dot at 300m off a bench. I have an ACOG of NXS if I want to do that.
 
greentips said:
ACOG is a different animal - it is apple to orange to put it in the same sentence as Mepro 21.
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What GT said. With respect to the Trijicon ACOGs, another optic in this class would be the Elcan Spectre DR. There are also several compacts to consider, ie: Trijicon Accupoint (TR224*), Nightforce (1-4x24NXS), Schmidt & Bender (1.1-4x20 Short Dot), etc.

greentips said:
Trijicon reflex sight (RX)is powered by tritium and fibre optics. It is where Mepro 21 got the idea from. They both suck. The original trijicon reflex really sucks. The newer Mepro Sucks. The new Trijicon 1X42 model sucks less but still sucks.
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Now, now... be nice. :) I happen to really like my Trijicon Reflex 1x42; I don't think it "sucks less", rather - it's just different. It's really hard to compare a red dot (Aimpoint) to a holographic (EOTech) to a reflex (Trijicon) - they're all unique in their own way. If I had to list a favourite, though - it would have be an Aimpoint H1 or T1; it's a toss-up between the ACOG and Elcan Spectre DR, though.
 
FPembleton said:
I don't really understand this fascination with the 1 MOA Eotech center. I had a 553 and I didn't find the 1 MOA dot noticeably more precise than the sub 4 MOA Aimpoint micro. I also found that the Eotech's center was probably bigger than 1 MOA.

Then again, I never shoot a red dot at 300m off a bench. I have an ACOG of NXS if I want to do that.
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If the rifle/ammo combination can shoot 1 moa then why would I want to use a 4 moa dot? Unless I'm shooting cheap ammo it's a waste and expensive.

The eotech centre I've found depends on how far forward or back you mount it, and the brightness setting.

Bottom line the 1 moa dot and the 65 moa outer ring gives you options. Since I'm shooting a civilian rifle with a target crown, trigger job, and matching the ammo to the rifle well why not get some accuracy as well as speed? I like it for my uses. If I was shooting a military issued rifle with military issued ammo well that would be a different story.
 
FPembleton said:
http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2811094651/m/587103255
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Sorry I'm not signing up for something unless I know what it is. A link to something that doesn't require a sign in would be nice.

FPembleton the Aimpoint vs Eotech argument has been going on for a long time. I prefer the Eotech while others prefer the Aimpoint. For me I don't like the almost 4 moa dot. Personal preference. You're not going to convince me otherwise since I have tried both. That is unless my eyesight goes and I can no longer us an Eotech. :(

As for the accuracy. The only way I can think of to show if this is correct or not would be to mount a target scope on a target rifle with match ammo that is known to be accurate with the rifle. Then try it with an Eotech and an Aimpoint. This would tell us whether or not there is an accuracy difference.

I haven't tried this yet. I have however seen a Swiss Arms PE90 shooting at 100 yards with an Eotech. The results looked to be less than 4 moa. I would have estimated just under 3 moa at the groups. This was of course off a bench. Not conclusive but still interesting.
 
greentips said:
All the options with eotech are useless if the darn thing cannot hold zero with reliability.
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:confused:. I haven't noticed any problems with mine. I have the 553 model. So far so good. But I haven't used it that much. Is there an issue with them?
 
greentips said:
Which ACOG are you talking about ? I assume you are talking about Trijicon Reflex? ACOG is a different animal - it is apple to orange to put it in the same sentence as Mepro 21

ACOG has many models - they are mostly magnified and the recticle is etched on the glass. They work like regular sight but they are also illuminated by fibre optics. Anything that starts with TA are good to go. ACOG works.

Trijicon reflex sight (RX)is powered by tritium and fibre optics. It is where Mepro 21 got the idea from. They both suck. The original trijicon reflex really sucks. The newer Mepro Sucks. The new Trijicon 1X42 model sucks less but still sucks.
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Definitely not reflex. I am talking about the TA models.

So let's see if I got this right. Day time, it's a regular reticule + fibre optic illuminated. Night time, the tritium source illuminates it. So the main difference (as far as illumination is concerned) is that the reticule is always visible and illumination is "added".

The M21 aim point can be invisible (or close to) in certain light conditions. There is no "real" reticule in there.


Now looking at other option, isn't the Specter DR prone to problems with the mount? Or has that been fixed in the recent models? And it's $$$!
 
I have a M21 on my shorty AR.....i like it just as much as My Eotech.You do get some wash out,but when that happens i know where the bull eye reticle sits in relation to the front post..........just use the post for the shot.

My eyes are starting to have problems with the Eotech...........bloody old age!
 
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