"Rifle Burst Test"... and the winner is ???

A test means nothing without details. I'm not a huge remington fan, the only 700 I ever owned got traded pretty quick; but don't start bashing something when you are totally oblivious to what variables were used in the experiment. Just because "you saw this video on youtube once" doesn't mean it's true.
 
Didn't I see that Remington in the EE for $1000 with the description "Safe kiss on barrel"? I'm going to have to ask for my money back.........:D
 
If they're using a lower spec steel in their barrels
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I have an 870 barrel here that was part of a recall that ended in 95 IIRC. It split lengthwise when I fired a low brass can tire round in it. The recall (which I missed until reading an old magazine a few months after they would accept the barrel back!) Blamed the failure on poor steel.

The action with new barrel has since seen a crap load of 3 inch loads and is tight and slick as ever.
 
While this video's vague, the money spent on high speed camera gear, and rifles, suggests there's a good deal to this test we just don't know where it came from. I would presume same caliber, same load, same obstruction.

I also believe that barrel manufacture has a lot to do with what we saw there, most of those barrels there that performed well are hammer forged. Remington, as a rule, does build the M700 to be cheap above all other things, it's the Hyundai of the rifle world. It just came from inside America. Doesn't mean it's not a strong action, it is (unless we're discussing peripheral items like bolt handle attachment, they're soldered on), but it is a dirt cheap to manufacture gun. Accurate however, so maybe that's all that matters. I look for more in my rifles though.
 
Ardent said:
While this video's vague, the money spent on high speed camera gear, and rifles, suggests there's a good deal to this test we just don't know where it came from. I would presume same caliber, same load, same obstruction.
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I agree, but you cannot place your trust in something you presume to be true.
 
Plugging the bbl so the bbl burst proves nothing about action strength if you want test actions you would use powder over charges and incorrect burning rate of powders to test action strength .
 
Looks like Remington uses pretty crappy steel.
Look at the way it comes apart in big chunks of shrapnel like that.

Yikes. :eek:
 
For many of our astute CGN consumers that short video by a "Swedish Consumer Test Group" proves conclusively that European (even Swedish) firearms are "better".

In each "test" the barrel either burst, or the obstruction was expelled. Obviously the obstructions could be expelled (they didn't weld the barrel shut), so I wonder if each obstruction was equally applied? Same cartridges, and loads?

Not good enough for me, but eat it up guys.
 
I suspect with the equipment used to film the test that they would have had some sort of structure to provide a baseline for consistancy.

"Made In The USA" isn't what it used to be by a long shot. They've been infected (possibly created) by the same mindset that has seen much of their (and our) product produced cheaply in China. Cost, not quality drives their industry, corporate profitibility trumps corporate responsibility. Name almost any product and the same of better quality can be found elswhere. Considering the manufaturing capacity they (used to) have and their huge consumer market it's a shame, but then there's enough suckers to buy anything at least once. In the global market the US rates a FAIL when compared to almost everything.
 
Ardent said:
it's the Hyundai of the rifle world. It just came from inside America.
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I thought Savage Was the Hyundai of Rifles........Ugly but does the Job.....I know Ive owned both :p

As far as the tests......Hard to judge without full details.....who knows if the obstruction was consistent on all the rifles and any barrel can blow if you plug it up.

I dont' think I will stop shooting my 700's but I would be interested in proper Ackley style blowup tests .
 
LOL Although none are M700's, every gun I own is "cheap American junk"... but somehow this video doesn't make me worry about how my guns will hold up. My next gun purchase will probably also be something made in the US at a production cost of about $100.
 
I don't beleive that video at all. Any gun that has a fully plugged barrel will burst period. All the pressure has to go some where. The guns that did not burst, obviously did not have a plugged barrel. If you disagree than where the hell did all the pressure go. A rigged video indeed. 22lr can rip a barrel in half, and that video suggests a centerfire cannot....:bsFlag:
 
Firstly, the test doesn't really show off the strength of the action, it shows off the strength of the barrel. Second, if you look closely you can see where the projectile is in all of the barrels as they all bulge slightly about 4-6 inches from the action - I wouldn't fire any of those guns a second time. Third, all guns blow up. There's pictures out there of just about anything on the market coming apart in a hurry.

To be really convincing, they would need at least a couple of each rifle in similar calibers and use the same ammo with the same projectile to act as a plug. Also, more brands wouldn't hurt. Saying all American made bolt guns suck when they didn't test at least a Savage, Winchester, or Weatherby Mark V is a pretty false statement IMO.
 
If you follow the links below the video, you will find out it was one of a series of tests sponsored by a consumer safety organization in Sweden, and was carried out by professionals. Here is a google translation:



The test has been carried out by the Defence Materiel Administration (FMV), which primarily works to provide the Swedish armed forces with arms and other materiel. The practical test was conducted over three days this summer at FMV's test facility outside Karlsborg. Hunting weapons were tested in four phases: accuracy in normal temperature and cooling, corrosion testing, the test extracts and explosive testing.
The most dramatic results yielded burst test. For example, if a small stone or a bullet stuck in barrel rifle shooter could be harmed if he or she fires the weapon. To simulate such an accident by beating the test personnel in a bullet in their gun. Weapons screw was then fixed in a special vise before being fired.
In order to more easily assess how the various rifles behaved filmed FMV's test personnel to test high-speed camera.
The pictures show how two of the tested weapons - Browning and Remington - explode and shatter.
- "When you see the pictures you understand how it looks and how it can be damaged," says Borje Kindbom.

The remaining six rifles passed the exam with a deformed pipe. A positive was that the bolt on all arms was holding up, otherwise this can lead to serious damage to the shooter's head.
Anders Toresson is president of Torsbohandels representing Remington in Sweden. He is surprised at the result and is intrigued by the FMV has designed the test.
- There is an international testorganisaton, CIP, whose test standard by all manufacturers comply with dignity. If something happens with a weapon so it will be sent to the CIP, which may determine if something is wrong. I do not know which system is used FMV, but about this test is to have any sense of reality should force is sent down to CIP and then FMV may explain how they went about it, "says Anders Toresson.
Is there any risk in using this weapon?
- No, absolutely not, not at greater risk than with any other brand. And how likely is it that two of the world's largest arms manufacturers would dare send out a product that fails a burst shooting? believe, Anders Toresson.
Borje Kindbom, what do you say about the complaints?
- I can not answer how does the CIP, but including Mannlicher in Austria doing basically the same way as we did. There are thousands of tests to do, this is the result of what we did and the test was the same for everyone, "he says.
Testfakta also searched Representative for Browning in Sweden, but despite repeated contact has been no comment.

Overall Winner in the whole test was the cheapest weapon, Howa 1500 as the trade cost about 5900 crowns. Test's most expensive weapons, Blaser R93 which costs about 26 000 SEK, supplanting.
- The test shows that the cheapest weapon is also the best. It is particularly gratifying that the Howa 1500 did not win because the other weapons were especially poor, but because it is a very good älgstudsare, says Borje Kindbom.
- However, the test says nothing about how good it is after several years of use, or how the weapons feel.
A good älgstudsare should be easy to meet with, even when the animal moves. To get such a fair test of precision as possible created a special bench to shoot guns was locked in.
One day before the test-firing guns were closed in a 20 degrees warm room. Before the test was calibrated kikarsiktena. Since precision weapons can be affected by the choice of munitions test run älgstudsarna with three different types of ammunition.
- We used the ammunition types that are most common in the market. The results of the test-firing was not affected by the choice of ammunition, "says Borje Kindbom.
Precision Shooting carried out in three different moments.
- In the first part, we have been as close to normal hunting conditions as possible and has taken account of what is a normal number of shots fired, the recoil and the like.
- The second stage was shooting hot. Problems with hot shooting occurs mainly during training at the shooting range. In connection with ordinary hunting shoot no more than two or three shots in a row and then not have time to become the weapon so close to the affected.
Why did you do the test?
- For the same reasons that we investigated how the weapons behave after being in a kylkammare of minus 40 degrees in 16 hours. By testing how guns can handle extremes, we also know how well they can deal with normal conditions. Our test is tough, but not excessively tough. Similarly, we test include ammunition to the Armed Forces with good results.
Number one precision part was completely winner Howa. Remington finally ended.
To find out how good their weapons resists rust but they stand two hours in salt fog and then for 15 hours in a warm place 40 degrees with 95 percent humidity, which is about 14 days in the marine environment near the arms without care. At least most expensive weapons test, roasted, Blaser R93. Most roasted Anotonio Zoli Luxury.
Full review was carried out by the test leader Bill Kindbom and his colleagues at the FMV.
- Overall, we were four at FMV who worked with the test. All are experts in weapons, even if it is just me who is the hunter.
Why?
- "We wanted to minimize the risk of people who responded to the test would have preconceived notions about the merits of different brands,"says Börje Kindbom.
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What this test proves is that all of the actions were designed well enough to protect the shooter from an obstructed barrel with normal pressure ammunition, and that Remington and Browning are cheaping out on barrel material compared to everyone else, assuming similar barrel profiles were compared...
The tests did make Howa look pretty good: Howa was the most accurate and the cheapest rifle (and the barrel survived), while the Remington was least accurate.
 
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