Dave Petzal is full of prunes.

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While I like Dave and think he has great insight and taste in rifles I've got a beef. Even though he is a left hand shot.

While thumbing through Field & Stream on the news stand the other day I scanned his latest article. In it he extols the virtues of the new FN Model 70 as being the greatest production Model 70 EVER produced under the Winchester trade mark. OK. Then he goes on to pout about no lefty in this new wonder. Understandable. Then the crap. He opines the fact that when left handed versions were produced between the mid 90's and early 2000's they were nothing but inaccurate junk. Siting one example of such a rifle that couldn't keep three shots inside the lid of a 45 gallon drum or some such nonsense.

Having owned more than a few of these left handed pieces of junk. I have some idea of what they can do. We will not go into the fact that they function outside of accuracy better than any other rifle I've worked with. We'll stick with accuracy. In the last few months I've picked up three of them, so last night I grabbed one of them (a 30-06) out of the safe. I reset and lapped the rings and then mounted a Leupold 6X36 scope (another apparent detriment to good shooting). Then I grabbed three different bullet weights from my collection, a pound of H4350 and Virgin R-P brass that had been trimmed to the same length, referenced a few manuals and past load data from other 06's and loaded 150gr TSX's, 156gr Remington bulk PSP's, and 180gr Nosler BT's. I seated the bullets deep for easy function and went to the range.

While I realize these groups are ho hum by internet standards, realize that NO seating depth monkeying was done, No adjusting powder charges were attempted etc. It is better than minute of drum. Here are the results and they are FAR from uncommon.

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he actually stated he had a 270 and 338 win that couldn't shoot. He had sent the 270 back for the 338 and it couldn't shoot either.
 
Dave Who??? Very nice rifle and good groupings. Never let sports writers get to you, they don't really know what they are typing about, they mostly just happen to know the owner of a publishing company.
 
I have had a few Model 70 Classics and they all shot really well with just about any ammo. He must have gotten awfully unlucky. On a positive note, he may have jaded people from buying them and then will be cheaper for us!!

By the way that 150gr TSX load should do just about all the killing a man could want, other than dangerous game of course.
 
In all fairness he could have had a lemon, and then sent away for a better rifle and got a lemon again...It's happened to a few other gun owners over the recent years as well.
 
In fairness, probably the worst quality Model 70's were definitely produced over the last 5-10 years the NEw Haven factory was still open. I handled several and most had some very obvious flaw.

Not saying some wouldn't shoot, but Winchester did the brand alot of harm over that period.
 
I have often thought how many of the writers were full of crap and how many could put there money where their mouth was. Dave is someone I respect as well as he has written some very insightfull believable stuff. Others just make me laugh as half this board has more qualifications than they do. I am like you Chuck I love my custom rifles and some writers have intimate knowledge of a few of the custom builders today. I would give them the edge in believable scribe as truly great custom makers don't need the publicity of a writer.

Then you have others who will write a good thing about anything as long as they have something to gain mutualy. I spent a week with my good friend and custom maker in idaho recently and this topic came up. I was interested to hear some stories about very very well known writers who wanted something for nothing. Makes me chuckle. Writing something good was based on whether they had to pay or not. Brings me around to my point - how much of what we read is based on the writers personal gain and how much is truth? I know that I have read better and more fact based opinions on this board than I ever have in any magazine article.

I have learned to believe very little of what I read and with forums like this have drawn more insight as most of the opinions are fact based. Thanks Chuck for you have proven just this theory.
 
Dave Petzal is one of the best. I'll put John Barsness in that group too. As was posted, he is a former world champ. He has also been the Field and Stream firearms editor forever. What great about him is that if he finds a lemon he will call it one. Would you rather hear that or hear how it shot nothing but half inch groups in a 30 km crosswind?

All that said, obviously your model 70 are shooters. I have a 300 WM Supergrade from that era with a fantastic stock but rarely prints better than 2". It's a safe queen now!
 
Chuck,
With those groups, two of which are well over an inch, there is no way you could reliably hit an internet elk. I also couldn't help but notice that the stock appears to be some sort of organic material. I'm surprised it hasn't crawled right out of the safe before now!
I would never make a blanket statement such as that made by Mr. Petzal but perhaps he has more experience than I. I've seen flawed rifles from many makers but have never felt they were ALL bad. Regards, Bill.
 
While I like Dave and think he has great insight and taste in rifles I've got a beef. Even though he is a left hand shot.

While thumbing through Field & Stream on the news stand the other day I scanned his latest article. In it he extols the virtues of the new FN Model 70 as being the greatest production Model 70 EVER produced under the Winchester trade mark. OK. Then he goes on to pout about no lefty in this new wonder. Understandable. Then the crap. He opines the fact that when left handed versions were produced between the mid 90's and early 2000's they were nothing but inaccurate junk. Siting one example of such a rifle that couldn't keep three shots inside the lid of a 45 gallon drum or some such nonsense.

Having owned more than a few of these left handed pieces of junk. I have some idea of what they can do. We will not go into the fact that they function outside of accuracy better than any other rifle I've worked with. We'll stick with accuracy. In the last few months I've picked up three of them, so last night I grabbed one of them (a 30-06) out of the safe. I reset and lapped the rings and then mounted a Leupold 6X36 scope (another apparent detriment to good shooting). Then I grabbed three different bullet weights from my collection, a pound of H4350 and Virgin R-P brass that had been trimmed to the same length, referenced a few manuals and past load data from other 06's and loaded 150gr TSX's, 156gr Remington bulk PSP's, and 180gr Nosler BT's. I seated the bullets deep for easy function and went to the range.

While I realize these groups are ho hum by internet standards, realize that NO seating depth monkeying was done, No adjusting powder charges were attempted etc. It is better than minute of drum. Here are the results and they are FAR from uncommon.

The only issue I can see with that sweet looking model 70 you posted is that the bolt is on the wrong side!:p
 
Never heard of him, dont read gun rags, dont read hunting rags.

Best to to tune out or strongly filter any comments in any paid-for publication.
 
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