Newbie 10/30 AR Pistol mag question

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Is there such a beast?

If not, lets say I had some RRA 10 round pistol magazine base plates from coupling two pistol mags together.

Could I drill and put a second rivet in a 5/30 mag, then drill out the 5 round rivet, thus making it a 10/30 with the accompaning 10 round pistol mag base plate??? would this be legal? The Magazine would have been made specifically for the pistol.... just by me and never exceeded 10 rounds.

What is the legallity here? If I have the specific pistol 10 round stamped base plate this magazine is intended for use in the pistol...

Give me your thoughts. This isnt something I need to do, just brain storming.
 
No.

I wish people would just read the laws, or even read the stickies. How is popping out the rivet and changing the baseplate not modifying the magazine in a prohib way?
 
Well my Majisty, sorry art thow walked in they kingdom. (curtsey)



Instead of saying no, say why, this isnt my first day on the internet Mr.DASQ. I searched, and found little info on what it would take to do this. I would be forever in debt if you would just provide a link along with your opinion... ;)

If you at least said the 5 round rivet hole provides enough proof it was originally intended for a rifle... then you would have had some sort of theory on why or what determins what the mag was intended for. Easy fix too, I will get new ones imported pinned to 10…

What determines what a mag was originally intended for? That is the underlying question.

If this has been posted before, by all means put up a link, I'm new here, I searched found nothing, someone please point me to a thread to answer my questions. That’s why I'm here.

Also, what’s stopping me from getting new mag body’s “intended” for American AR 15 pistols etched “AR-15 pistol mags” and pinned to 10 then shipped to Canada?

Or I know, even better, how about I chuck up some billet steel, and make my own bolt actions that support AR mags, then getting 30 round mags "originally manufactured" for my specific bolt action imported.... That CNC mill in the back corner at work just sits, if only I had some info... lol


Thanks for any help, big or small it is appreciated.
 
P-J said:
bah, not really, won't do it without feedback from the CFO, just looking for opinions on which direction to If I give it a whirl.
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CFO is full of nay-sayers and dream-slayers. They would tell you it couldn't be done.

But, you could maybe make a baseplate for the LAR-15 pistol 10 round mags that was composed of the lower half of a 30 round mag. I see not how anyone cares if your baseplate is just a flat piece of metal or has a ring-like device like a magpull, or anything else, so long as you are not modifying the mag capacity. If you have a firearm with a deep magwell, someone might claim that you are modifying, or designing the mag for that firearm and so any applicable restrictions apply, so be cautious.
 
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haha it will stick out a bit, but I like you're thinking ;) hate the look of the adapter piece. Maybe I should get some black 5/30's and give it a whirl. I don't know if I could make this look 90%+ stock though...

I have had lunch with a local CFO a few times.... I know what you're saying... If I was that negative I would never leave the house. All I wanted was my Auth to carry. :D
 
P-J said:
bah, not really, won't do it without feedback from the CFO, just looking for opinions on which direction to If I give it a whirl.

I like the bolt action idea, I could probably make some coin with it too ;)
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A bolt action AR...I think that would be pretty sweet. too bad it would be never able to become non-restricted ( i think....)
 
To much effort being put into this I think. The efforts would be better spent getting that stupid magazine neutering law thrown out. Then we all could buy our normal capacity 30 and 40 round magazines.
 
P-J said:
bah, not really, won't do it without feedback from the CFO, just looking for opinions on which direction to If I give it a whirl.

I like the bolt action idea, I could probably make some coin with it too ;)
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The CFO has nothing to do with it... the decisions are made by the RCMP Tables Section. They are the group that classifies firearms and that reviewed and classified Questar's 10 round LAR-15 AR Pistol Magazines.

Note that I said Questar's magazine and not Rock River Arms. That's because the legal 10 round LAR-15 magazines were designed by Questar and are manufactured specifically for Questar. Rock River Arms does not make these magazines... all of their AR magazines are designed and manufactured as "Rifle" magazines... limited to 5 rounds when sold/used in Canada.

The RCMP determine if a magazine is "designed and manufactured" for use in a Handgun or if it is a "rifle magazine".

They have stated in writing (to us) that 30 round AR magazines are ALL classified as "Rifle Magazines" and that no 30 round AR magazine design (no matter how it was pinned or welded) would be acceptable to them as 10 round "Handgun" magazine.

Simply taking a magazine and pinning it or engraving it or changing the floorplate will NOT turn the magazine into a handgun magazine nor will it allow the magazine capacity to be increased. The magazine remains (always) the "type" of magazine that it was originally designed and manufactured to be.

Having been intimately involved in developing and getting approval for the "10 round LAR-15 AR Pistol magazines" I can tell you that very few people actually understand the legalities involved... most CFO's do not understand the law on this topic and many police officers still do not realize that there are legal 10 round AR magazines. What allows us to have these magazines is essentially a mistake in how the law was written and worded. Most would argue that the original intent of the law was to limit handguns to 10 round capacity and to limit sem-auto centre fire rifles to 5 round capacity. Instead of writing the law that way they wrote the law to say what capacity the magazine could have... regardless of what firearm the magazine was subsequently used in.

The result is a wide variety of rifles being legally allowed to use "handgun" magazines and therefore having 10 round capacity. The difficult part is determining what is and what is not legally considered a "handgun magazine".

Mark
 
I guess that means that engraving "Pistol Use Only" on a 5/30 and repinning it to 10/30 just wouldn't fly.....;)
 
I'm waiting to see what happens with the 20rd AIA/M-14 magazines that a business in Western Canada is planning on bringing in.:stirthepot2:
 
Wasn't there a letter from the CFC stating about magazines for the CX4 and stamped as such needed to be pinned to 5 even though the mag IS just a handgun mag?
 
drache said:
Wasn't there a letter from the CFC stating about magazines for the CX4 and stamped as such needed to be pinned to 5 even though the mag IS just a handgun mag?
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I don't know about a "letter" but the RCMP ruled that the magazines that were initially imported and sold with the early CX4 rifles were in fact "Rifle Magazines" and clearly were labelled as such by Beretta... since they were designed and manufactured as rifle magazines they were legally limited to 5 round capacity and had to be either destroyed or pinned to 5 rounds.

Only the "Pistol" magazines were allowed to be sold with the rifle and used with 10 round capacity... nuts isn't it :)

Mark
 
Questar said:
I don't know about a "letter" but the RCMP ruled that the magazines that were initially imported and sold with the early CX4 rifles were in fact "Rifle Magazines" and clearly were labelled as such by Beretta... since they were designed and manufactured as rifle magazines they were legally limited to 5 round capacity and had to be either destroyed or pinned to 5 rounds.

Only the "Pistol" magazines were allowed to be sold with the rifle and used with 10 round capacity... nuts isn't it :)

Mark
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I remember someone scanning a document about it but yeah, that's the article I was talking about. Just because a mag was stamped CX4 (even though it was a pistol mag) it had to be pinned or destroyed.

God I love our gun laws.... :rolleyes:

BTW expect an order for a couple LAR mags coming your way once I get paid :D
 
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