Glocks not so great anymore?????

[Got Juice?]

Well, you said you stand corrected ( I assume on the fact that Glock is the only one that has 98% reliability interchanging pars), CZ has 100%.

That was for Bob, now you are going on his coattails and riding me after he dug up the information and posted it?

If ya want to flay me, get off your butt, do the digging yourself for the information and then correct me

Thanks

 

[pizdets17]

riding? Just simply wondering how you say you are correct when someone posted info that says you're not. But just make sure you don't get your panties in a bunch here is another handgun that might be pretty reliable:
BERETTA U.S.A. RELIABILITY AND DURABILITY STATISTICS FOR THE BERETTA 9mm PISTOL.
• The average reliability of all M9 pistols tested at Beretta U.S.A. is 17,500 rounds without a stoppage.
• During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction.
• The Beretta 9mm pistol was the most reliable of all pistols tested in the 1984 competition which resulted in the award of the M9 contract to Beretta.
• Two-thirds of all M9 pistols endurance tested at Beretta U.S.A. fired 5,000 rounds without a single mal function or, at most, with only one malfunction.
• The average durability of Beretta M9 slides is over 35,000 rounds, the point at which U.S. Army testing ceases.
• The average durability of M9 frames is over 30,000 rounds. The average durability of M9 locking blocks is 22,000 rounds.

That was for Bob, now you are going on his coattails and riding me after he dug up the information and posted it?

If ya want to flay me, get off your butt, do the digging yourself for the information and then correct me

Thanks

 

[Got Juice?]

riding? Just simply wondering how you say you are correct when someone posted info that says you're not. But just make sure you don't get your panties in a bunch here is another handgun that might be pretty reliable:
BERETTA U.S.A. RELIABILITY AND DURABILITY STATISTICS FOR THE BERETTA 9mm PISTOL.
• The average reliability of all M9 pistols tested at Beretta U.S.A. is 17,500 rounds without a stoppage.
• During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction.
• The Beretta 9mm pistol was the most reliable of all pistols tested in the 1984 competition which resulted in the award of the M9 contract to Beretta.
• Two-thirds of all M9 pistols endurance tested at Beretta U.S.A. fired 5,000 rounds without a single mal function or, at most, with only one malfunction.
• The average durability of Beretta M9 slides is over 35,000 rounds, the point at which U.S. Army testing ceases.
• The average durability of M9 frames is over 30,000 rounds. The average durability of M9 locking blocks is 22,000 rounds.

And we can thank GLOCK for all manufacturer's that now meet higher standards.


Competition Improves the Breed.

I still am not a Glock Fan. Still gonna buy a G31C when I can.

 

[pizdets17]

I just can't get past the lightweight. Feels fisher price even though I shoot ok with one. All steel for me.

And we can thank GLOCK for all manufacturer's that now meet higher standards.


Competition Improves the Breed.

I still am not a Glock Fan. Still gonna buy a G31C when I can.

 

[Got Juice?]

riding? Just simply wondering how you say you are correct .

I stand corrected. Is what I said

which means, that someone corrected me.

And I thanked him for it.


sheesh.

 

[Got Juice?]

I just can't get past the lightweight. Feels fisher price even though I shoot ok with one. All steel for me.

I hear ya. Fisher Price is cool though. I can't stand the 'Hey look at my cool LEGO GUN!, no, it's a real Gun damit!

Looks too much like Lego.

 

[pizdets17]

nobody questions me if mine are real that's for sure:

I hear ya. Fisher Price is cool though. I can't stand the 'Hey look at my cool LEGO GUN!, no, it's a real Gun damit!

Looks too much like Lego.

 

[Got Juice?]

nobody questions me if mine are real that's for sure:

Agreed.

My one love

 

[PatD]

Actually the Glocks did fire 100%. If anyone wants some facts, read the book "Glock - The new wave in combat handguns" by Peter Alan Kasler. He documents the entire history from the Austrian Army's call for such a gun and Gaston Glock having never built a firearm before this, to dropping the Glock 60 stories from a helicopter, field stripping it, then firing 1000 rounds through it with no failures (I believe as it's been a long time since I read it). The gun sat in sal####er for a week, was frozen, did the sand test, all that schtuff.

He also reports on the politics on how the gun received some bad press in the mid 80's. Coverage of the function of the gun is exceptional. He is/was a Glock armourer. He also explains the Glock phenomenon, and why the CHP didn't end up with it......but nearly everyone else did. Very good read.

http://www.amazon.com/Glock-New-Wave-Combat-Handguns/dp/0873646495

 

[Grizz Axxemann]

Top-heavy plastic brick that doesn't fit my hand. Need I say more?

Put a 1911, CZ75B, or SIG in my hand, and it fits like it was meant to be there.

 

[Hokus Grey]

not to short shift the M&P at all as if i did not own glocks I would own an M&P.... but when you come and run 1000 rounds thru your gun in 2 days then you can say you have abused it.... especially if at night you just wipe it down and oil it.

LOL, I have had that thing in the dirt, sand in the mags, and didn't clean it for 500 rds and I still haven't had an issue. Except for that one time there was nothing in the chamber, but that's just stupidity on my part. lol So far, a great gun! Gotta have at least one more 9mm tho and the Glock 17 seems like it.

 

[pizdets17]

I look at it this way, sure Honda civics are reliable as hell, cheap on gas, and you can put a supercharger in one to give you 350hp. But at the end of the day when it pulls up next to a BMW or Mercedes or Audi, both of which are less reliable, less fuel efficient and maybe even slower, its still a civic. I just hate the way the Glocks feel and look, so no matter how reliable they are being dropped out of a helicopter, I won't buy one.

Actually the Glocks did fire 100%. If anyone wants some facts, read the book "Glock - The new wave in combat handguns" by Peter Alan Kasler. He documents the entire history from the Austrian Army's call for such a gun and Gaston Glock having never built a firearm before this, to dropping the Glock 60 stories from a helicopter, field stripping it, then firing 1000 rounds through it with no failures (I believe as it's been a long time since I read it). The gun sat in sal####er for a week, was frozen, did the sand test, all that schtuff.

He also reports on the politics on how the gun received some bad press in the mid 80's. Coverage of the function of the gun is exceptional. He is/was a Glock armourer. He also explains the Glock phenomenon, and why the CHP didn't end up with it......but nearly everyone else did. Very good read.

http://www.amazon.com/Glock-New-Wave-Combat-Handguns/dp/0873646495

 

[Hokus Grey]

I thought things would be different in these threads without a certain someone here. Turns out that some things never change. lol

Glocks - The Abortion Debate of the gun world

 

[Target Sports Center]

Let me shed some light on our experience with the Glocks at Target Sports Canada, we have been running Glocks on our line for the familiarization shoots (2 years plus now). We only use factory ammunition in our pistols and buy whatever is available in bulk, the Glocks in 9mm get the most use and as such they due suffer more parts breakage. We have had some of our pistols exceed 80000rds, and yes they due break parts-the most common parts and in no particular order are: trigger spring/trigger bar/slide stop lever spring (usually caused by an in-correct reassembly). We have also had several slide failures and rails breaking from the right rear side of the frame, that being said and done our most robust pistols on the range tend to be Glocks and Sigs. Our 1911 pistols do not hold up well, Beretta's due hold their own, H&K pistols due suffer parts breakage and are expensive to repair, we have had brand new pistols during our open houses-bite the big one, that includes Sigs,Glocks,etc. We have real data to base our information on based on our ammunition purchases, I have a personal Glock that was made in 1985 and purchased in 1986, that has exceed 300 cases of ammunition as it was used for training, we have had all sorts of pistols break on our line, but for the money and no pun intended we get the best bang from our Glocks, based on how inexpensive parts are for replacement. We have recently put some Gen 4 pistols on our line and will keep you informed on how they perform, mechanical devices cannot last indefinitely and as such will suffer failures based on poor maintenance or people doing some very stupid things.

 

[tacticalII]

I've got a couple Kimber's and a nice 226 elite that spend most of their time in the safe because I live shooting my G34.

 

[pizdets17]

Let me take em off your hands for 50% off

I've got a couple Kimber's and a nice 226 elite that spend most of their time in the safe because I live shooting my G34.

 

[misanthropist]

Most of the people here who bag on Glocks will say one of the following:

1) I hate plastic pistols

2) they don't fit my hand

I don't like glock or any other plastics and I'll never buy one!
I stay with what I like and proved all those years to be the best for my personal shooting needs - full metal pistols -

I don't like full size Glocks because of the poor ergonomics.

I just can't get past the lightweight. Feels fisher price even though I shoot ok with one. All steel for me.

Top-heavy plastic brick that doesn't fit my hand. Need I say more?

I look at it this way, sure Honda civics are reliable as hell, cheap on gas, and you can put a supercharger in one to give you 350hp. But at the end of the day when it pulls up next to a BMW or Mercedes or Audi, both of which are less reliable, less fuel efficient and maybe even slower, its still a civic. I just hate the way the Glocks feel and look, so no matter how reliable they are being dropped out of a helicopter, I won't buy one.

Case = rested

The complaints are never about the function of the gun...they are always just "I don't like plastic" or "they don't fit my hand".

When the complaints start being things like "on average they don't perform as well as ###XX pistol, which we know from study XYZ" then I'll start paying attention. Until then it's just guys who don't like glocks, not liking glocks. If you are interested in a status symbol the glock is not a good choice. If you start with the requirement "must be steel" it's not a good choice. If you want a true target pistol for bullseye shooting it's not a good choice.

If you want a reliable handgun with acceptable accuracy, an extremely well-proven and well-documented track record, a forgiving maintenance schedule, extreme ease of parts replacement, and a high degree of robustness, then Glock has several pistols which fit the bill better than most other options.

If you listen in on conversations between guys who shoot at targets that shoot back for a living, you will find that the list of trustworthy handguns is pretty short, and the Glock 17 or 19 is the top pick for the vast majority. This is not because these guys get them cheap, it's because they work.

Are there other options? Of course. But very few guns are as proven as 9mm glocks.

 

[Danimal247]

If my job counted on it I would go with a Sig - I don't disagree that Glocks are reliable, but man they are ugly and I don't like plastic frames

 

[pizdets17]

To me its like driving a really reliable fuel efficient Pinto. I think I'll stick with my lexy.

Case = rested

The complaints are never about the function of the gun...they are always just "I don't like plastic" or "they don't fit my hand".

When the complaints start being things like "on average they don't perform as well as ###XX pistol, which we know from study XYZ" then I'll start paying attention. Until then it's just guys who don't like glocks, not liking glocks. If you are interested in a status symbol the glock is not a good choice. If you start with the requirement "must be steel" it's not a good choice. If you want a true target pistol for bullseye shooting it's not a good choice.

If you want a reliable handgun with acceptable accuracy, an extremely well-proven and well-documented track record, a forgiving maintenance schedule, extreme ease of parts replacement, and a high degree of robustness, then Glock has several pistols which fit the bill better than most other options.

If you listen in on conversations between guys who shoot at targets that shoot back for a living, you will find that the list of trustworthy handguns is pretty short, and the Glock 17 or 19 is the top pick for the vast majority. This is not because these guys get them cheap, it's because they work.

Are there other options? Of course. But very few guns are as proven as 9mm glocks.

 

[Target Sports Center]

If my job counted on it I would go with a Sig - I don't disagree that Glocks are reliable, but man they are ugly and I don't like plastic frames

We have broken Sigs with very low rounds counts and have seen a cracked frame in a Sig 229 duty pistol also, they are reliable but I witnessed a Sig 226 Elite suffer a malfunction with less then 50rds fired at our open house, they do break and eat through trigger bar return springs like crazy, if it happens while engaged in a gun fight you have no way to shot your Sig.