CZ Shadow ready position in Production.... Hammer is...

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Required to be FULLY decocked or is allowed to be half cocked when giving the "load and make ready...".

Thanks.

Just picked up mine and getting it/me ready for match season 2011, finishing off this year with the M&P9. Going to take some time to go from SA to DA/SA.
 
From the rule book...
8.1.2.4. If a handgun has a decocking lever, that alone must be used to decock the handgun, without touching the trigger. If a handgun does not have a decocking lever, the hammer must be safely and manually lowered all the way forward (i.e. not just to a “half-#### notch” or to another similar intermediary position).
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MrFritz said:
From the rule book...
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So having the hammer resting on the firing pin with a loaded chamber and no mechanical safety is preferable to a half-#### position with the mechanical safey engaged...?

The diff in that first shot pull between all the way fwd and half #### isn't much...

Or... if one were to shoot in Standard div. Cocked & locked..?
 
this is one of the tradeoffs you have to live with for using a shadow in production... Some deal with it, others shoot something else...
 
All the way down.

If it WERE a gun with decocker, you could just decock it.


But having manual safety, especially - extended safety, makes grip much more comfortable when you rest your (for right-handed shooters) right thumb on the safety... as opposed to a gun with decocker lever where you cannot rest your thumb on it...
 
Glock_2010 said:
Shoot Standard if you don't like the DA first shot...:)
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Never said I disliking DA... but one does get spoiled when shooting striker fire pistols for several years.

The question was asked so I can practice my technique to manually decock the the Shadow without a AD and I've read that it has happened.
 
The ROC said:
Never said I disliking DA... but one does get spoiled when shooting striker fire pistols for several years.
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Trust me, once you start using a DA /SA with a decent trigger, you'll NEVER want to go back to one of those squish triggers again.

As for the DA; keep this in mind; in an 8 stage / 120 round match, you're likely going to have an empty gun stage, so you load and shoot SA. In the other 7 stages, you'll likely have a target close up that a heavier DA pull doesn't matter in about 5 of them.

That means the DA shot is 2 rounds out of 120 that matter. 118 rounds are shot with a nice crisp light single action break as opposed to 120 round shot with a crappy squishy heavy trigger.

There's a very good reason DA/SA are the most popular setup in IPSC Production and chosen by the top ten in the country.
 
The ROC said:
Never said I disliking DA... but one does get spoiled when shooting striker fire pistols for several years.

The question was asked so I can practice my technique to manually decock the the Shadow without a AD and I've read that it has happened.
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When I first acquired my Sp-01 i went to the range every week and fired 100 rounds in groups of 2. First round DA second SA, lowering the hammer every 2 rounds. I arrived at the point where the first round was the most accurate of the 2 fired and I was comfortable lowering the hammer on a live round. It only takes 2 or 3 sessions to get comfortable with PD requirements using a CZ.
 
The ROC said:
Never said I disliking DA... but one does get spoiled when shooting striker fire pistols for several years.

The question was asked so I can practice my technique to manually decock the the Shadow without a AD and I've read that it has happened.
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just remember to grab the hammer FIRST, then press the trigger and lower the hammer. The accident occurs when you get the order mixed up. There is no rush to decock or lower the hammer.
 
Placing your thumb between the hammer and the frame and slowly rolling the thumb out of the way while the trigger is pulled is another method and one in which I prefer. Pinching the hammer and lowering it is one way but I have seen an AD using this method. The AD occurred when the shooters thumb slipped off the hammer due to the opily surface of the hammer. Just somthing to consider when chosing your methods of lowering the hammer.

Take Care

Bob
ps Whatever method you use do it carefully and not in a rush. I had an AD while practicing alone at the range. One reason why I changed my method of lowering the hammer. It is very easy to get to comfortable and become careless.
 
For some reason I had a couple of RO's insist on having shooters grasp the sides of the hammer when lowering the hammer. Why? I don't know but they were very insistent so now I do it that way.

Prior to and during any match I wipe the sides of the hammer and my fingers off with an alcohol swab to remove any oily residue that could contribute to a slipping hammer.

John
 
John in B.C. said:
For some reason I had a couple of RO's insist on having shooters grasp the sides of the hammer when lowering the hammer. Why? I don't know but they were very insistent so now I do it that way.

Prior to and during any match I wipe the sides of the hammer and my fingers off with an alcohol swab to remove any oily residue that could contribute to a slipping hammer.

John
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Firm is the word,..firmly grasp the hammer and lower it.
 
John in B.C. said:
For some reason I had a couple of RO's insist on having shooters grasp the sides of the hammer when lowering the hammer. Why? I don't know but they were very insistent so now I do it that way.

Prior to and during any match I wipe the sides of the hammer and my fingers off with an alcohol swab to remove any oily residue that could contribute to a slipping hammer.

John
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Good idea John. Art got DQ'd at a Qualifier in Pr. Rupert using his fingers against an oily hammer.

Take Care

Bob
 
maurice said:
Firm is the word,..firmly grasp the hammer and lower it.
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....and the other word I like is....Confidence :)

I have a lot of little quirks when I am shooting to maintain a confident attitude and this is one of them.

Another is I never start a stage without a complete loadout of full mags on my belt and in my gun. Even a 9 round stage :) Don't ask me why cause I don't know. It just makes me feel confident and ready for whatever comes after the BEEEEPPP :D
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Trust me, once you start using a DA /SA with a decent trigger, you'll NEVER want to go back to one of those squish triggers again.
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LOL! I think my M&P9 may go up for sale in the near future after todays visit to the range.

Now I know what they mean when they tell me to get a real pistol for IPSC....LOL!
 
If an RO tries to tell me HOW to lower my hammer after I load my gun I'll ask for the CRO. None of the RO's business how I do it, so long as it doesn't go bang. Now after the stage if he wants to offer suggestions that's fine.
As for how to do it? Like Bob said, thumb between hammer and slide, pull trigger and roll thumb out of the way. SLOWLY. Grabbing or pinching is quite simply stupid.
 
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