Rusted cz858 barrel (posting for a friend)

emilio613

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My buddy has a cz858. He shoots Czech surplus ammo - the stuff that causes rust. Well, we went shooting a month or two ago. I watched him clean his rifle throughly. Solvent and more solvent, followed by lots of scrubbing and cleaning the bore, and at the end, all that were coming out, were super clean patches.

Now, he pulled it out of the case today...and the bore is rusted.

Is there anyway to reverse this? I would like to help him out! I will pass along any info :)

Thank you from the both of us in advance!
 
Solvent will not remove the corrosive salts from shooting the ammo. You MUST USE SOAP AND WATER to clean before you clean! Tell your friend to clean it again, then use soap and water. Hot as you can stand it, then clean it again as per normal.

Good luck
Scott
 
May not be as bad as it initially looks if it hasn't been to long... Did the same thing a longtime ago with a bolt gun. Came back to it a month or two later to see the horror that use to be the barrel. Very hot soapy water & lots of scrubbing and it came back. Not saying there wasn't permanent damage to the rifling, but the accuracy didn't seem to be affected by my neglect.
 
May not be as bad as it initially looks if it hasn't been to long... Did the same thing a longtime ago with a bolt gun. Came back to it a month or two later to see the horror that use to be the barrel. Very hot soapy water & lots of scrubbing and it came back. Not saying there wasn't permanent damage to the rifling, but the accuracy didn't seem to be affected by my neglect.

I have my buddy's rifle here right now at my house to clean (he wanted to see if I could clean it....don't worry he took out the entire bolt carrier/mechanism, so it is just the stock, frame and barrel).

Anyway, I went through with a wire brush to see how bad it is.. it seems to have taken off most of the rust inside...so maybe I will just clean it with hot water/soap now, solvents, oil it up, and then tell him to fire a few rounds to get it all out, and THEN watch like a hawk as he cleans it PROPERLY.

Thanks guys!
 
Scrub the He77 out of it with soapy water, run patches through it & scrub it again. Run the patches through it again to dry it out before putting any oil or solvent to it. Think of a nun catching you abusing yourself & how hard she would scrub you clean to get the evil out of you! That's how you want to clean this rifle... check all the assemblies & sub assemblies for corrosion as well. Clean them in the same manner.
 
Scrub the He77 out of it with soapy water, run patches through it & scrub it again. Run the patches through it again to dry it out before putting any oil or solvent to it. Think of a nun catching you abusing yourself & how hard she would scrub you clean to get the evil out of you! That's how you want to clean this rifle... check all the assemblies & sub assemblies for corrosion as well. Clean them in the same manner.

I'd be more afraid of my father catching me. But yes, I get the idea :p

Like I said, I got most of it out with a wire bursh (I hate to admit it but, dry scrubbing it, like I was cleaning parts of my car with a wire brush - dry). Now I will use the soap water, then dry it, then solvent, then clean, then oil :).
 
Let us know how it fairs out. Pics would have been great! I think this has happens a lot more than guy's would like to admit with all the corrosive ammo around.
 
3 part process
Soak with Kroil over night.
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Then use J-B Bore Cleaner
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& finish with J-B Bore Bright
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My process, that so far, seems to have done the trick, since the rust was NOT THAT bad, but it did look like it was sitting at the bottom of a lake. It now looks almost perfect. I just need to get out to the range with ym buddy and have him shoot 10 rounds.

Step 1: Wire Brush used DRY!! (like you were cleaning battery contacts that corroded or whatnot, that way, the rust dust does not STICK to the abrrle like when wet.) You MUST BLOW IT OUT after going up and down, like you would clean normally)

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Step 2 (Optional, I did not do it, but I suppose you could): WD40... don't laugh, and DON'T say that this stuff corrodes. It can clean just about anything, and it dissolves everything. Trust me, it works. It will dissolve any hardened gunk. I know, because I used it on my 1911 compensator, when the powder blast gunked up in the ports on the comp...looks new now). Just remember to clean WELLLLL with patches afterward. Makes sure they come out clean and dry. Then you MUST proceed to step 3 if you do this.

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Step 3 (or 2 if you bailed on step Optional - WD40): LUBE IT UP! (don't use spit... LOL.. yea that's a #### reference). Make sure you lube it over the top! That way, no more rust wil develop, since it has been inhibited.

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Step 4: SHOOT! Make sure to go to the range and blast about 10 + rounds down the barrel. The high heat, high pressure, and the tight fit of the bullet down the barrel (not a #### reference, I swear), will act as a brush and take out the rest. This was a recommendation by a) a fellow CGNer (not sure if they care to be named, they can do this out of their own will if so desired) and b) my father.
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(YES I thought this last pic was quite funny, sorry if that offends anyone.. but its funny, ok? lol)
 
1) NEVER EVER NEVER!!! EVER!!! store a gun in a case. NEVER. Store your gun in a closet with a trigger lock on it, or in a lockable gun cabinet or in a vault. Cases accelerate corrosion and trap moisture - this is bad. They are for transportation, not storage.

2) Oiled metal doesn't rust. Don't just clean it, OIL IT TOO. Store with oil in the bore. Use something like gunzila or Ballistol - in short, use a water-soluble oil.
 
1) NEVER EVER NEVER!!! EVER!!! store a gun in a case. NEVER. Store your gun in a closet with a trigger lock on it, or in a lockable gun cabinet or in a vault. Cases accelerate corrosion and trap moisture - this is bad. They are for transportation, not storage.

2) Oiled metal doesn't rust. Don't just clean it, OIL IT TOO. Store with oil in the bore. Use something like gunzila or Ballistol - in short, use a water-soluble oil.

#2 I knew (hence why I said in my description, that I oiled a lot).

#1 I did not. Thank you very much for that advice!!! :)
 
I learned the hard way that wd-40 and/or G96 will not stop the corrosive salts in my 858. I think I'll be coating the bore with bore butter (I use it in my antique muzzleloaders) for long term storage from now on......
 
I just run a few liters of HOT water down the bore and gas system alternated between running a copper scrubbing pad and then finish up with some patches and generic gun oil. Make sure the pad is copper and not some copper-steel alloy, test with a strong magnet.

No rust, even in a humid basement.
 
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