Pondering a Hi-Point .45ACP

Wakeness said:
Actaully, I've been doing some reading and I was talking to a buddy who is experienced. He suggested instead of buying 1 or 2 "cheaper" semis, save up the funds and make a purchase that is worth while.

I am really liking what I have read (and watched on youtube) about the Taurus 24/7 G2 longslides. Nice looking, accurate, smooth, etc.
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Taurus is far from a quality pistol in my opinion! Worth while does not mean expensive at all, that is kind of the point of that phrase. Examples: Glock, Norinco, Stevens 200, Ruger 10/22. All relatively cheap and at the same time worth while purchases if you ask me.
 
Based on a lot of horror stories on servicing here in Canada I would not buy any taurus other than the 1911. And that only because since it's a 1911 I can get other off brand parts to keep it working. But recently Freedom Ventures started selling Taurus guns. I don't know if they are now the Canadian distributor of if they are getting the guns from the old distrubutor that didn't provide timely servicing. But if it's still the same distributor as before I'd be wary to the max on any Taurus guns.

And yeah, .45 isn't a caliber to start with due to ammo costs. It doesn't matter if you start with a $300 Hipoint or a $1300 1911. If you shoot much the difference in price will soon be passed by the cost in ammo. Stick to a 9mm if you must have a center fire and cost is important. Good options would be a used Glock, S&W M&P9, Ruger SR9 or something along that line and price point as these. Or if the budget is tight then go for a .22 for your first gun. They are excellent for gaining good shooting habits and style and are good fun in their own right if you're not looking for the big bang to help compensate for something.... :D
 
Hey, thanks for all the input on this thread, people.

I am surprised at the negative opinions on the Taurus OSS model, to be honest. They were developed for USSOCOM and designed to be reliable in humid, grity, dirty and other unfriendly environments. SOCOM put out a calling to firearms companys to design a new military grade pistol and was talking about tendering a 650,000 unit contract to whoever designed the best and most reliable pistol.

The OSS models are the pistols that Taurus designed to submit as their prime semi-auto to meet the demanding criteria, but SOCOM backed out of the offer in the long run. So Taurus had this (I presume) totally awesome military grade pistol they had designed, and decided to offer them to the public. At least, thats how teh story goes on the interwebz.

Anyways, I found a guy that is close to my hometown, and he has a PT 24/7 OSS .40 cal in stock. I'm going to at least go and hold it, and hold some .40 cal glocks, rugers, etc, and decide on "fit", feel and reputation.

Keep the suggestions coming though please, because when I go to check it out, I will be writing all your suggestions down and taking a list with me! Thanks everyone.

Oh, and also: I'm not broke. I have a great job, and money is not a serious issue. I just can't justify spending more than 8 or 9 hundred on a firearm.
Ammo for .40 cal isn't much more expensive than 9mm either, so I'm thinking the Taurus or a Glock, but like I said, I am going to go and feel them out.

EDIT to add: The PT 24/7 OSS also won the NRA "Pistol of the year" award in 2005. Not that I'm trying to convince anyone here, but I thought it was worth mentioning if you guys hadn't heard about that.
 
Well you seem set on .40 or .45

That narrows your options immediately, as well as increases your ammo costs.

Badger arms has the norc CZ-85 .40 cal clone for only 349$. (Np-40)

I have heard good things about the norc CZ and SIG clone lines...for that price I would take it over a Hi-point any day.

Other than that, I'm also in the boat that buying 1 good pistol is much better than 2 mediocre ones...
 
If you are not broke you should not even consider a hi-point.

I would recommend a hi-point to someone who was flat broke and desperately needed a carry pistol because they were convinced that sometime in the near future they would need it to defend their life, and it would only have to feed one type of round reliably, and only last for enough rounds to prove that type of ammo would feed, plus a couple of mags for use in an emergency.

I would recommend a Taurus to someone who just enjoyed the sensation of migraines for their own sake.

Why not wait until Taurus establishes a reputation for building quality pistols before buying one, and instead, buy a pistol that is a known good bet? Right now, if Taurus makes a great gun, it will be the first time they've ever pulled it off. Even Ruger has had good autoloaders in the past, especially compared to Taurus.

In the meantime, for similar money you could buy a great gun that everyone KNOWS is a great gun, not just a lottery ticket with a Taurus logo on it.
 
I bought a Hi-Point .45 as my first handgun. Its just SO CHEAP. Under $300 shipped to my house all in including taxes. Ive only put about 30rds through it. Shot pretty good. And the guy I scored the ammo off of me has been shooting for 30+years, paid more for a Norinco and said it couldn't hit the side of a barn out of the box. He spent and extra $300-400 in aftermarket parts to get it shooting nice. The Hi point is comfortable and shoots half decent stock. Im happy with it.
 
A lot of people form their opinion about hi-point based on the price. Sometimes people speak negatively about them even though they have never fired one or even seen on in person. I suggest you take these opinions with a grain of salt.

My customers report them to be accurate and reliable. They are a very simple gun made to go bang every time. They are significantly cheaper than even norinco and we are even offering a warranty for your piece of mind.

The bottom line is they are not the right gun for everybody. Some people like them, some do not. Just consider whether their opinions are based on experience or something else.
 
Well, I will admit that in the US, where they have been available for quite a while, I do know a couple of people who like theirs. But they are both guys for whom putting 2000 rounds of ammo through the gun is going to be its entire service life.

On the other hand that describes an awful lot of people so they could be adequate for a lot of gun owners. I would consider owning one, but only because I have a lot of guns already. For a first gun...I would want something highly effective and reliable in the long term.
 
Well, what I did was put a downpayment on the Taurus pt 24/7 OSS in desert tan, and a downpayment on a Glock 17 9mm.

Also picked up a Winchester 1300 Defender 12 gauge for fun.

Once my restricted paperwork gets here, I will fax the form and pay the owing balance on the semi autos.

I know a lot of people here are bashing the OSS, but I studied multiple reviews from people who actually own and shoot the gun, and there have been quite a few people that have switched to the Taurus OSS as their full time carry-piece throughout the states.

I believe that I will not regret my choice. You can't lose with a Glock, and I believe the OSS is going to be a 10 out of 10 winner too.

I will post pics and a review after I finally have it in-hand and do some shooting.

Now I'm looking for some tactical holsters.

EDIT to add that the OSS is a .40 cal
 
Won't be long now! Just a few weeks until I expect to get my restricted in the mail!

Then I get my baby:

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and the other pistol I bought for my baby (Wife)

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JD3 said:
pics of the new toys?
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But of course!

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I got them both a couple weeks ago, but I have not fired them. I'm new to firearms, and we have to go through a probationary period at our local gun club before we can do the club safety test and bring our own firearms. Until them we are stuck shooting the club guns, which are .22 caliber.

However, I bought my Tuarus OSS "new" from a dealer, not pre-owned, and the top of the barrel is scratched up a bit... just some scuffing. The muzzle end of the barrel has wear marks on it as well, but remember that I have never shot this pistol yet.

I am under the sneaking suspicion that although the gun is "new", the guys at the dealer must have snuck it off to a gunrange and put a few rounds through it. I can't imagine the muzzle bluing would wear just from customers handling it in the shop.
Take a look:

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and

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However, I don't have an issue with the gun being fired. That's what it is built to do. I just hope they handled it with care. I remamber having to clean a bunch of grease off the poly frame too, but I assumed that was from the factory.

I made a post similair to this one on a Taurus Forum, and some of the members think the marks on the muzzle could be from factory test-rounds. I dunno...
 
Wakeness said:
Well, what I did was put a downpayment on the Taurus pt 24/7 OSS in desert tan, and a downpayment on a Glock 17 9mm.

Also picked up a Winchester 1300 Defender 12 gauge for fun.

Once my restricted paperwork gets here, I will fax the form and pay the owing balance on the semi autos.

I know a lot of people here are bashing the OSS, but I studied multiple reviews from people who actually own and shoot the gun, and there have been quite a few people that have switched to the Taurus OSS as their full time carry-piece throughout the states.

I believe that I will not regret my choice. You can't lose with a Glock, and I believe the OSS is going to be a 10 out of 10 winner too.

I will post pics and a review after I finally have it in-hand and do some shooting.

Now I'm looking for some tactical holsters.

EDIT to add that the OSS is a .40 cal
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the issue I have heard with Taurus is getting parts, service, and warranty work, not how good the guns are in the states. You are in Canada? Beware of products specifically designed for sale in the US market. :D enjoy.

I myself have got a .22 single shot pistol as my first gun :D Drulov Pav with .010" play in the breech fit left to right :D we'll see how it goes and there is nobody to send it to for svc either. :D
 
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