Holster course whats better paddle or belt?
- Thread starter pizdets17
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i've got the same one at home for my S&W 22A. well, almost the same one. mine is the WSB-21, whereas the one you link is WSB-8. i haven't used mine yet, so what i can do is try it out when i get home and give you my impression of it, using all of my semi-autos.
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- Kumankissmyass, BC
your not, your buying a holster to do the course in and then use for the rest of your life in competition..... what, your buying a holster just for the course and then your going to throw it away ??
my bladetech is 4 years old and has seen numerous draws and has been with the gun firing 14,000 rounds down range... and it still looks brand new and it is still functinal and dependable.
here is a piece by piece equipment breakdown on what was used at the 2009 IDPA nationals.... granted there where 11 fobus holsters out of 340
http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=252
and I would just like to add.... you spend $1000 minimum on a Sig P226, you buy $100 worth of ammo to take this course and yet your unwilling to spend $200 on a good Belt, Holster, Mag Pouch combo......
seriously, do you run walmart tires on your corvette as well.... do you pick up your date's in a limo and take them to mcdonalds ?
http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=252
and I would just like to add.... you spend $1000 minimum on a Sig P226, you buy $100 worth of ammo to take this course and yet your unwilling to spend $200 on a good Belt, Holster, Mag Pouch combo......
seriously, do you run walmart tires on your corvette as well.... do you pick up your date's in a limo and take them to mcdonalds ?
that's cool - i'm not saying that the Fobus is spectacular, but for around $20 it's not a POS clamp. and regardless of age, if the pistol comes out the FIRST time, after X years it will continue to come out. if it comes out too easily - or not easily enough - simply adjust the screw. THAT is the point i was addressing.
a $20 holster that lasts 1-2 years, versus an $80 holster that lasts 4-8 years. so far, the math says it's the same thing. but there's less money spent up front, and if the owner doesn't keep that same gun for 4 years, he's better off with the cheaper holster. if he's gonna keep that same gun for many many years, then perhaps the $80 is more sensible.
but evidently he has to also allow for the course fee, and presumably the ammo. if a $20 holster will do well for the course AND the next 12 months of use, i see no issue. if an Uncle Mike's costs the same and lasts just as long, then it's the same story.
if my Fobuses (Fobi?) break after 2 years, i'll be ok with that. they only cost me $20. by then, i would have gotten a good amount of use from them. every item has a breaking point - even an $80 holster or a $4000 gun. it WILL break if abused appropriately.
they are what they are - a simple cost-effective item, and some models are adequately adjustable so that a draw is easy and yet secure enough for the rules of the sport.
no, i don't own any eBay or Fobus stocks, so i'm not looking to gain from this. but i DO have first-hand proof that a Fobus WILL allow a gun to be drawn with acceptable force.
so, how expensive should his pants be for that? i mean, should his pants cost 2 times as much as my pants since he spent that much more on his gun than i did? what about his socks? should he also be buying Sunoco Ultra 94 gasoline for the Rolls Royce, because taking a Sig to the range on regular 87 octane in a Hyundai is a disgrace to the firearm and mag pouches?
and what if the holster breaks during the morning of the course, what if he was taking a black badge course that $200 instead of just $50, what if he was actually taking a real "course" that is $500-$1000 and 2 days in length and 1000 rnds of ammo.....
buying a cheap holster is like putting shyt tires on your car before going on a cross canada road trip.... sure it might all work out super and you will pat yourself on the back for "saving" money, but you sure look like a fool when your broke down in a course and have to go home with a "did not finish".
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- Old Man Land, AB
his pants are not holding his $1000 gun to his waist.... the belt is, ifthe belt breaks he will look funny when his pistol lands on the ground, or if his belt is floppy even funnier when his gun falls out.
hell believe it or not people even wear SHORTS when using a holster.... but hey, you want to bet your $1k gun on a holster that is proven time and time again to be garbage, go right ahead..... your so much smarter then people that use holsters with regularity.
and garbage in, garbage out..... you don't think courses are about 10x harder on a holster then competition is ?? say your taking the shotgun course, your going to be doing transition drills, the shotgun may or may not be banging on your holster all day and the way you grab your gun while trying to swing your shotgun out of the way is going to put more force on the belt attachment (known failure point with fobus).....
you buy garbage and your goign to disappointed when your sitting on the sidelines watching everyone else shoot.
I use bladetech, but I also have a spare uncle mikes kydex holster for my glock and a spare bladetech double mag pouch I take with me when out of town.... nothing is infallible, the best you can do is by the best quality you can afford and then buy a backup for anything that can break.
Stevo is the guy to talk to about using holsters during courses, he has taken at least 10 tactical response courses in the last 3 years as well as rising sun tactical and a slew of others including IDPA and 3gun..... I know he swears by bladetech as well.
ok, this is my last post.... you say your asking "noobish" questions... thats fine, but take advice from the people with experience, not other noob's
ok, this is all a bit of a tangent, but...
do you shoot your ammo through (or into) the holster??? i mean, if i shoot 6 rounds or 40 rounds, i draw once and reholster once and just reload in between. the holster has no idea how many rounds i just shot - nor does it care. the barrel might. sure, if you draw - fire one round - reholster, then going through 1000 rounds like that will put the holster through some good wear.
a nail will puncture a $400 Goodyear just as nicely as a $55 Motomaster. i wore out (to the cords) a $200 race tire in half a day or lapping. i would have worn out a $400 tire in about the same time due to vehicle weight and road surface. your point is...????
the fat chicks who eat dinner at McD actually DO need to be picked up in a limo - stronger frame and more space inside to stuff their fat asses into.
and what if his $80 holster was that monday-morning / friday-afternoon build that happens to be the faulty one and IT breaks on the morning of a $1000 2-day course? will he still get a great score cuz he spent more on the holster?
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Your showing your noob status.... when shooting IDPA, IPSC or courses you rarely fire more then 2 mags thru the gun before reloading and reholstering (remember the mantra, retrieve, reload and reholster)
so lets take IDPA for example, most courses of fire are under 10 rounds to a maximum of 18 rounds total. so for an IDPA competitor to fire a match of say 8 stages of fire he would "load and make ready, reholster", "draw, fire, unload and show clear, reholster" so for each course of fire he holsters twice..... he will holster/unholster a minimum of 32 times during an 8 stage match and not including his initial holster and the end of the day put away.
during Tactical Responses "Basic Pistol" the first day we probably draw and rehostered the gun probably 100 times, with some round counts being as low as 1 shots fired and rarely more then a full magazine.... the second day was a bit slower but still we fired 750 rounds over the 2 days.
it wsounds like you have a holster as a fashion accesory....
i assume you don't have any holsters at all, but you appear to have multiple handguns. that being the case, you might be better off with a generic nylon holster since it ought to fit all of your toys equally well (or poorly, depending on how you look at it). not sure if the kydex / rigid plastic ones are generic or gun-specific (the fobus definitely are gun-specific). the benefit is that you can use it for different guns, and possibly even sell it to someone else for $10-15 after the course is done and you don't need it anymore.
