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Not including cost what are the pros and cons each? Things like accuracy, power, effective distance, cet.
Thanks, UTAF
Thanks, UTAF
9mm VS. .40S&W
- Thread starter Until the Angels Fall
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Power= .40 for sure
accuracy really depends on the type of gun and barrel, I find my b&t tp9 shoots much better then my beretta. Both in 9.
how far are you really going to shoot with a handgun?
I just bought a glock g27 (.40) from a fellow cgn'er and watched a youtube video of an old man shooting this pistol at 500y hitting a gong, the size of a door mind you but it has a 3.5" barrel on.
accuracy really depends on the type of gun and barrel, I find my b&t tp9 shoots much better then my beretta. Both in 9.
how far are you really going to shoot with a handgun?
I just bought a glock g27 (.40) from a fellow cgn'er and watched a youtube video of an old man shooting this pistol at 500y hitting a gong, the size of a door mind you but it has a 3.5" barrel on.
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Well I am basically wanting this as my ONLY centre fire semi auto handgun. I am thinking a gen 4 Glock. 3 gun eventually, plinking, and would like to be able to shoot it 25yards as accuractly as possible.
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it's around 19.00/100 to load 9mm and 21.00/100 to load for .40
Accuracy will be a function of barrel length and shooters ability. Doing doubletaps with a 9 is easier as it has lower recoil than a 40, but with practice you can do it with a .40
Distance will also be a function of barrel length and shooters ability. Practice Practice Practice, there is no substitute.
You can definately get some good power out of each round. I have a .40 , and have shot 9mm a fair amount. I'm no help because i like both rounds.
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I have owned several of 9mm and 45ACP. All were great fun.
Eventually, I ended up with a 40S&W XD because I wanted a modern battle pistol and the XD fit me best of all the ones I had used ( 6 yrs ago). I tested a 9mm XD when doing my comparisons.
Brass is readily available and cheap/free AND I can make my own cast bullets.
The 9mm didn't work well for me making cast and I didn't want the cost of buying bullets all the time. The 45 ACP worked wonderfully with my cast but brass was more expensive to get ie not free.
As to accuracy, power, function, fun, there is precious little between the 9mm and 40. My plinking loads use as much powder as what I loaded for in my 9mm. Same primer cost and brass was free in both instances.
So the final factor was the ability to cast my own slugs which saves me a heap of $$ when I am shooting my HG alot.
If buying bullets, the lighter 9mm will always win but not by much. I don't shoot factory ammo but I am sure the 9mm is less money.
Jerry
Eventually, I ended up with a 40S&W XD because I wanted a modern battle pistol and the XD fit me best of all the ones I had used ( 6 yrs ago). I tested a 9mm XD when doing my comparisons.
Brass is readily available and cheap/free AND I can make my own cast bullets.
The 9mm didn't work well for me making cast and I didn't want the cost of buying bullets all the time. The 45 ACP worked wonderfully with my cast but brass was more expensive to get ie not free.
As to accuracy, power, function, fun, there is precious little between the 9mm and 40. My plinking loads use as much powder as what I loaded for in my 9mm. Same primer cost and brass was free in both instances.
So the final factor was the ability to cast my own slugs which saves me a heap of $$ when I am shooting my HG alot.
If buying bullets, the lighter 9mm will always win but not by much. I don't shoot factory ammo but I am sure the 9mm is less money.
Jerry
I suggest a handgun in 10mm then get a spare 40S&W barrel and a 22LR conversion kit for it...
Practice with the 22LR and 40S&W for cheap range time and when you want to move up in power or you just want to impress your friends with the most powerful production semi-auto in the world switch back to your 10mm barrel and let her rip...
Practice with the 22LR and 40S&W for cheap range time and when you want to move up in power or you just want to impress your friends with the most powerful production semi-auto in the world switch back to your 10mm barrel and let her rip...
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I suggest a handgun in 10mm then get a spare 40S&W barrel and a 22LR conversion kit for it...
Practice with the 22LR and 40S&W for cheap range time and when you want to move up in power or you just want to impress your friends with the most powerful production semi-auto in the world switch back to your 10mm barrel and let her rip...
Wouldn't the honour of the most powerful production semi auto go to the Wildey?
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If you have your heart set on a Glock, you would be better served by one in 9mm, as the 9mm models tend to be better for long-term reliability on average. I would consider another platform if you wanted a .40.
.40 advantages include:
-Slightly better terminal ballistics
-Less finicky than 9mm with cast bullets in terms of accuracy
-In shooting disciplines that where cutting the line on a target is scored in the higher zone, what might be a near miss with the 9mm would be a hit with the .40, due to the larger hole.
9mm advantages:
-Lower ammunition/component cost
-Less recoil
-Wider selection of pistols that work well with it compared to .40
With either, accuracy and effective range will be limited more by the shooter's ability than by attributes of the cartridge.
.40 advantages include:
-Slightly better terminal ballistics
-Less finicky than 9mm with cast bullets in terms of accuracy
-In shooting disciplines that where cutting the line on a target is scored in the higher zone, what might be a near miss with the 9mm would be a hit with the .40, due to the larger hole.
9mm advantages:
-Lower ammunition/component cost
-Less recoil
-Wider selection of pistols that work well with it compared to .40
With either, accuracy and effective range will be limited more by the shooter's ability than by attributes of the cartridge.
Buy a 357 Mag revolver. Use 38 Spl ammo to practice and plink and shoot the PPC matches, and if you feel the need, bump it to 357. Talk about cheap components and availability of brass! And don't let anyone tell you that you can shoot an self-loader any quicker -- ain't so. Only advantage a self-loader has is more ammo before a reload, and perhaps a slightly faster reload -- IF you practice. I carried a model 10 S&W for about 20 years, and a 40 Sig for the last 10 or so years. Loved the Sig, but I could take care of business with the Smith as well.
Haha, all the mw2 nerds are getting frustrated and leaving their hate mail under the vid, I think they took the video seriously!'
I chose 9 because im poor and cant afford to shoot a manly or beastly caliber.
Same here... my first pistol was a .40 but now it is quite neglected and I shoot one of my 9mm. The sole reason is $$$$. I really need to start looking into reloading!
If we were allowed to defend our lives in Canada, I would be using a .45 or a .40.. but since I'm only allowed to shoot at paper, I will go with what's cheap as that will allow me to practice more and get better.
25 yards? You can use anything from a .22 to a .500 S&W for that and get good accuracy.
If you want the .40 because it has a bigger thump to the hand then fine. Go for a .40. But realistically there's no big difference in accuracy between any handgun caliber. And only a little difference from using different guns.
If it helps and you want the utmost in accuracy I seem to be finding that plain ol' simple lead bullets print the smallest groups when shot for accuracy. My findings on this are consistent enough with enough of my different guns I've shot that I'm pretty sure there's something to it. So if the smallest possible groups are your goal get a gun that is lead bullet friendly. And from what I've read and heard about the special Glock rifling shape it's not lead friendly.
If you want the .40 because it has a bigger thump to the hand then fine. Go for a .40. But realistically there's no big difference in accuracy between any handgun caliber. And only a little difference from using different guns.
If it helps and you want the utmost in accuracy I seem to be finding that plain ol' simple lead bullets print the smallest groups when shot for accuracy. My findings on this are consistent enough with enough of my different guns I've shot that I'm pretty sure there's something to it. So if the smallest possible groups are your goal get a gun that is lead bullet friendly. And from what I've read and heard about the special Glock rifling shape it's not lead friendly.
"...most powerful production semi auto..." .50 DE, if you have the hands for one.
"...my ONLY centre fire semi-auto handgun..." Ask around at your club and see if you can try both. Then buy the one you like better. You'll want to be reloading either, preferably with cast bullets. Shooting factory or jacketed gets expensive quickly.
"...my ONLY centre fire semi-auto handgun..." Ask around at your club and see if you can try both. Then buy the one you like better. You'll want to be reloading either, preferably with cast bullets. Shooting factory or jacketed gets expensive quickly.
Don't you have M&P9? What's wrong with it? It's a great gun, I know because I made a mistake selling mine
I saw it in the EE a few weeks ago...I personally would have kept it and added the Glock to the collection...
