Bullet Types: FMJs Hunt Legal in Ont?
- Thread starter kastles
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I doubt it is...buy WHY would you want to?
If you read the hunting regs in Ontario. You will notice there is no definition on what type of gun you can hunt with only seasons and calibers. Unless it is specified ie. Muzzle loader or shotgun only season you can hunt with what ever provided it meets the caliber restriction.
It is also legal to hunt with a and gun in Ontario or rather not illegal!!!! The catch is can you posses it in the woods ???
Something to think about ?
It is also legal to hunt with a and gun in Ontario or rather not illegal!!!! The catch is can you posses it in the woods ???
Something to think about ?
There's nothing in the Ontario Hunting regs or our Fish and Wildlife Act about 'em. As daft as it is, all the hunting regs say is that you cannot use a rim fire for large game. Doesn't make 'em suitable for large game though. Does mean you can use commercial fmj's for hunting fur bearing game, like coyotes, in winter.
You will have to prove you've done a hunter's safety course and pay the Outdoors Card tax to be allowed to buy a hunting licence.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/2ColumnSubPage/STEL02_168421.html
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97f41_e.htm#BK19
You will have to prove you've done a hunter's safety course and pay the Outdoors Card tax to be allowed to buy a hunting licence.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/2ColumnSubPage/STEL02_168421.html
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97f41_e.htm#BK19
Hunting with FMJ is very unethical. I'm guessing that you are a new hunter, welcome to the sport. FMJ's do not expand and will not kill an animal quickly. They will just punch a hole in it. Hollow point and soft-tipped bullets are designed to expand upon impact, full metal jacket bullets are limited in their capacity to expand.
Keep asking those questions and you will be a better hunter in the end!
Large caliber, non expanding jacketed or solid bullets are used to ethically kill the largest critters on this planet. Many military bullets will tumble on impact creating definately more damage than just a clean hole. Legal in Ontario, don't know. FMJ's are not legal for hunting big game in BC.
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Hunting regs here in Manitoba clearly state that fmj's are illegal to hunt big game with. Can't even have them on person while hunting. Throw back from the early post WWII days when military ammo was sold in surpless by the pail full. As for Ontaro I would bet it is a no-no as well.
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Yup, read the "other" posts...but the OP asks the "experts" if it is legal to hunt with hard ball ammo in Ontario... and the answer would likely be yes should one be hunting varmints or the like...I would think.
Simply stated as others did that it is most likeky illegal for hunting big game, deer, moose, elk, etc. Maybe he should contact the experts as in the MNR to get their spin.
Simply stated as others did that it is most likeky illegal for hunting big game, deer, moose, elk, etc. Maybe he should contact the experts as in the MNR to get their spin.
Along with my post, these are educated opinions...from people who, as it seems, have actually taken the time to read the Ontario F&W C. Act.
But when in doubt, call MNR.
There are no restrictions on using FMJ in Ontario.
Here is an answer from an Ontario CO on another Forum I frequent where you can ask the MNR questions regarding fishing and hunting:
http://fishingboard.thunderbayfishing.com/index.php?showtopic=3713
A. The main piece of legislation in Ontario that governs hunting is the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act 1997. This Act has several regulations attached to it including one that deals specifically with hunting (Ontario Regulation 665/98). Under this regulation, there are no restrictions on the type of centre fire bullet that can be used when hunting big game. The table on page 22 “Summary of Firearms Restrictions for Hunting in Ontario” of the 2008 Hunting Summary does a good job of explaining what type of firearm can be used during the various seasons for each type of game.
Ontario Regulation 665/98 can be found at:
www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_980665_e.htm
look under Section XI - HUNTING METHODS AND FIREARM RESTRICTIONS
Part III of the Criminal Code of Canada ( R.S., 1985, c. C-46 )deals with firearms, ammunition and other weapons. It can be found at:
www.laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/
An associated regulation to the Criminal Code is Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462.) The link to this regulation is:
www.laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cr/SOR-98-462 Part 5 deals with prohibited ammunition
PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION
FORMER PROHIBITED WEAPONS ORDER, NO. 10
1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.
Here is an answer from an Ontario CO on another Forum I frequent where you can ask the MNR questions regarding fishing and hunting:
http://fishingboard.thunderbayfishing.com/index.php?showtopic=3713
A. The main piece of legislation in Ontario that governs hunting is the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act 1997. This Act has several regulations attached to it including one that deals specifically with hunting (Ontario Regulation 665/98). Under this regulation, there are no restrictions on the type of centre fire bullet that can be used when hunting big game. The table on page 22 “Summary of Firearms Restrictions for Hunting in Ontario” of the 2008 Hunting Summary does a good job of explaining what type of firearm can be used during the various seasons for each type of game.
Ontario Regulation 665/98 can be found at:
www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_980665_e.htm
look under Section XI - HUNTING METHODS AND FIREARM RESTRICTIONS
Part III of the Criminal Code of Canada ( R.S., 1985, c. C-46 )deals with firearms, ammunition and other weapons. It can be found at:
www.laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/
An associated regulation to the Criminal Code is Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462.) The link to this regulation is:
www.laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cr/SOR-98-462 Part 5 deals with prohibited ammunition
PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION
FORMER PROHIBITED WEAPONS ORDER, NO. 10
1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.
Not a new hunter, just new to Ont. The question popped up in my head from reading another post and remembering it is illegal in BC. My thoughts were along sunrays, goes well with fur and I want to go after yotes come winter. Have not tried 'em in my gun yet.
We went through this last year on a similar post.
I called the district manager here in Ontario to see if they were allowed, and full metal jacket bullets are legal on big game. They are unethical for sure but the law says you can use them.
If you want to use cheap bullets after spending so much on the trip, guns,and what not, you are truly nuts.
We all know better than to use them, thats why we buy decent expanding bullets to drop them in their tracks, instead of tracking for miles and miles with no game in the end. So sad...
I called the district manager here in Ontario to see if they were allowed, and full metal jacket bullets are legal on big game. They are unethical for sure but the law says you can use them.
If you want to use cheap bullets after spending so much on the trip, guns,and what not, you are truly nuts.
We all know better than to use them, thats why we buy decent expanding bullets to drop them in their tracks, instead of tracking for miles and miles with no game in the end. So sad...
