do i need to bring registration papers when going to the range?

Unauthorized possession in motor vehicle

94. (1) Subject to subsections (3) to (5), every person commits an offence who is an occupant of a motor vehicle in which the person knows there is a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition, unless
(a) in the case of a firearm,
(i) the person or any other occupant of the motor vehicle is the holder of

(A) an authorization or a licence under which the person or other occupant may possess the firearm and, in the case of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm, transport the prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, and

(B) a registration certificate for the firearm,

(ii) the person had reasonable grounds to believe that any other occupant of the motor vehicle was the holder of

(A) an authorization or a licence under which that other occupant may possess the firearm and, in the case of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm, transport the prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, and

(B) a registration certificate for the firearm, or

(iii) the person had reasonable grounds to believe that any other occupant of the motor vehicle was a person who could not be convicted of an offence under this Act by reason of sections 117.07 to 117.1 or any other Act of Parliament; and

(b) in the case of a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition,
(i) the person or any other occupant of the motor vehicle is the holder of an authorization or a licence under which the person or other occupant may transport the prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or

(ii) the person had reasonable grounds to believe that any other occupant of the motor vehicle was

(A) the holder of an authorization or a licence under which the other occupant may transport the prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or

(B) a person who could not be convicted of an offence under this Act by reason of sections 117.07 to 117.1 or any other Act of Parliament.

Punishment

(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Exception

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to an occupant of a motor vehicle who, on becoming aware of the presence of the firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition in the motor vehicle, attempted to leave the motor vehicle, to the extent that it was feasible to do so, or actually left the motor vehicle.

Exception

(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to an occupant of a motor vehicle where the occupant or any other occupant of the motor vehicle is a person who came into possession of the firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition by the operation of law.
 
tdk213 said:
Can you point out where in the criminal code cause all I can from the criminal code is my textbook from my course where it says:

Every person who stores, displays, transports or handles any Firearm in a manner contary to the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations is:

1. guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment

2. guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction (a fine of $2000 and/or six months imprisonment)

But nowhere in the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations does it say you need your registration for a non-restricted during transportation.
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I just spent three hours reading this very thing because I wanted to bring my new aquisition to the range tomorrow and I haven't got my cert in the mail for it yet. Guess it'll be next week.

It's in the firearms act and all over the criminal code. Some quick excerpts

FIREARMS ACT OFFENCES

Possession Offence
S. 112: Possession of firearm without registration certificate
It's a summary conviction offence to possess a non-restricted firearm without being the holder of a registration certificate for the firearm. A person found in possession of a firearm must show that they are the holder of a registration certificate for the firearm.

Criminal Code
91. (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) and section 98, every person commits an offence who possesses a firearm, unless the person is the holder of

(a) a licence under which the person may possess it; and

(b) a registration certificate for the firearm


S. 94: Unauthorized possession in motor vehicle
It's an offence to be in a motor vehicle where there is a firearm or other regulated item unless someone in the motor vehicle is authorized to have it.

Section 98 of the Criminal Code allows a transitional period for the coming into force of this offence: people will have until January 1, 2001 to get a licence to possess or acquire firearms, and until January 1, 2003 to register their non-restricted firearms. After January 1, 2001, people must have a licence or a document deemed to be a licence, such as a valid Firearms Acquisition Certificate. After January 1, 2003, people must have a registration certificate for every firearm they have

New offence - S. 91: Unauthorized possession of weapon
It's a hybrid offence to have a firearm without a licence and a registration certificate, or to have a prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device (other than a replica firearm) or prohibited ammunition, without a licence


And from the Police Officers Field Manual

If an individual does not have a registration certificate on their person, you can check CPIC to see whether he or she holds a valid registration certificate. This will allow you to verify whether the individual is in legal possession of the firearm despite not having the registration certificate or any other required document with them.

And essentially, it says the officer is able to charge under criminal code, or firearms act if they feel they have enough reason. No cert, under a whole bunch of c.c. and f.a. sections so there are plenty of reasons.

And here's the kicker. If they see fit to sieze the firearm (under whichever section they wish to apply) ALL CERTS AND AUTHORIZATIONS ARE REVOKED !! For rpal's that means your ATT is gone ! A judge can give them all back after, but paper weighs nothing. Why risk it.
 
Thanks for all the clarification guys. I always carry them anyways. There were just so many people that didnt or didnt think there were any consequences to not carrying your reg I was begining to doubt myself.

So I resort to my previous post as silly as the registry is. I think its even sillier to risk all the negatives just because you are essentially to lazy to carry a sheet or 2 of paper with your guns and ammo.
 
Donnie said:
10 cents a copy, too easy not to have copies.
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I just don't see the point. I mean if the registry worked so godamn well, the cops should be able to look at my license, check the serial number and call i in. BAM! done and done.

So why the hell do I need the ### papers? BECAUSE the registry don't work. Then you flick on TV and you see a bunch of retards saying they use the registry 11 000 times a day. Yea, its BS, but still. People actually believe it. If I'm gonna rob a bank, I guaranty you won't see any papers with me, cuz the guns would be bought illegally anyways.

And I'm stuck bringing papers. for every gun.

Sorry for the rant guys. Its just overwhelming at times.
 
I keep mine in my wallet, I don't kno why though. I have had 3 dealing with RCMP, 2 of them were of a pretty serious nature. They didn't care about any paperwork. PAL and SN off the guns only.
 
Captain Paul said:
I just don't see the point. I mean if the registry worked so godamn well, the cops should be able to look at my license, check the serial number and call i in. BAM! done and done.
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Whether you see the point or not is irrelevant. If you don't like the law, do something to get it changed.

It's clear you're doing everything in your power to not follow the law when it comes to carrying your reg certs with your guns. All I can say is, good luck if the cops ever ask you about them.

On a side note, it's amazing how many people admit to breaking gun laws on these forums. Several in this thread alone.
 
tritium4ever said:
It's clear you're doing everything in your power to not follow the law when it comes to carrying your reg certs with your guns. All I can say is, good luck if the cops ever ask you about them.

On a side note, it's amazing how many people admit to breaking gun laws on these forums. Several in this thread alone.
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Yes, god forbid someone breaks the law. Scold them all to hell.:rolleyes:
 
Captain Paul said:
I just don't see the point. I mean if the registry worked so godamn well, the cops should be able to look at my license, check the serial number and call i in. BAM! done and done.

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I hear ya man. But it's like a car, you could tell the cop to check the VIN and go check it in his computer, or you could simply give him the registration paper.

If he sees the firearms paperwork, you're likely on your way. If you don't have it, then he's gotta check things out to at least make sure they're good.

The ironic part is that in both the case of a gun or a car, seldom do they ever check to make sure the paperwork matches the VIN/Serial. So your comment raises an interesting point. What value is there in looking only at the paperwork??
 
RTFM, 6 pages of some incorrect bravo sierra,some correct, some not so correct answers.
So, if you wanna argue with the LEO who may or may not have an axe to grind leave the firearms where you are not carrying the documents for at home.
Then again I am just a Union Thug ... is it coffee time yet ?
Rob
 
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cablemonkey said:
Because the law says you do. Doesn't make much sense to most of us here, but these are the rules of the country in which we choose to live.
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It really doesn't!:bangHead:

And if its the law, funny how hard it is to actually find it written somewhere. You would think they would make it obvious. Till this day I hadn't a clue I needed them except for restricteds.

Depending on who picks up at the CFC, you get a different answer depending on their mood and how much they like you.:rolleyes:
 
I agree its stupid to have to carry around papers. Then again lets be honest there is much that isnt stupid in our gun laws (ie. AK's Prohibited yet CZ858 is non-restricted, my mom a non gun person cant even tell the difference between the two)

However since it is the law and us gun owners are supposed to be showing that we are responsible people. Why do something that show irresponsibily and ignore the law? I just feel that sort of stuff gives ammo (pardon the pun) to the antis. Granted you probably arent going to see someone on the news saying "they cant carry a piece of paper so take all the guns away" but then again we just might. Like tritium4ever said if we all hate it so much lets do something to change it!!!
 
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Kenny_G2 said:
For my restricted guns I have all the paperwork under the foam in the carrying cases for each gun. So it all automatically comes with me to the range.

"Kenny", On your way to the gun range, what if a Police Officer asks you to show the ATT, Reg's papers and the papers are in the case with the firearm? Will you open the case and risk being charged, we don't have the authority to open that case until we are home or at the range, right? I would never open a case with a restricted firearm enclosed even if the "paper's" are inside. Give the keys to the Officer and ask them to open for themselves.
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bush24 said:
Kenny_G2 said:
For my restricted guns I have all the paperwork under the foam in the carrying cases for each gun. So it all automatically comes with me to the range.

"Kenny", On your way to the gun range, what if a Police Officer asks you to show the ATT, Reg's papers and the papers are in the case with the firearm? Will you open the case and risk being charged, we don't have the authority to open that case until we are home or at the range, right? I would never open a case with a restricted firearm enclosed even if the "paper's" are inside. Give the keys to the Officer and ask them to open for themselves.
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Pretty unlikely situation....:rolleyes:
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