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But if you have a small hand, Sig is not a good choice since the grip is a bit fat for small hands...
Looking for flexible a pistol
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But if you have a small hand, Sig is not a good choice since the grip is a bit fat for small hands...
But if you have a small hand, Sig is not a good choice since the grip is a bit fat for small hands...
Sig is not really a good choice for IPSC, so as Glock. Unless you are Max Michel or Dave Sevigni who are paid to use those guns at the matches.
Nothing wrong with either for IPSC, and they allow the flexibility the OP was looking for to shoot other disciplines
I'm going to add this.
As IPSC shooters we have to stop telling others what guns they need to be competitive with before they even try the sport. Any servicable pistol or revolver of 9mm/.38 caliber or larger that is reliable and decently accurate can be shot in IPSC. If you already have a gun like this, bring it out. If you are looking at buying a new one, buy something you like that meets that criteria and come on out. The first rule is to have fun, once they have tried the sport and decided they like it they will know what the next step will be. Whether that is continuing to have fun with what they have, or picking a division they want to shoot in and buying something to fit the rules and be competitive. The old story of "trying to save them money in the long run" is BS. We all know as pistol shooters that we are never going to be satisfied with just one anyways. And how much money was saved if the newb goes out and buys all the top end Division specific gun and gear only to find out that not only do they not find the sport to their liking, but the stuff they bought is so IPSC specific, like the CZ Shadow and Production Division legal race holsters, that it is not allowed in any other sport?
Lets get them addicted to the sport before moving them to the hard stuff....
I'm going to add this.
As IPSC shooters we have to stop telling others what guns they need to be competitive with before they even try the sport. Any servicable pistol or revolver of 9mm/.38 caliber or larger that is reliable and decently accurate can be shot in IPSC. If you already have a gun like this, bring it out. If you are looking at buying a new one, buy something you like that meets that criteria and come on out. The first rule is to have fun, once they have tried the sport and decided they like it they will know what the next step will be. Whether that is continuing to have fun with what they have, or picking a division they want to shoot in and buying something to fit the rules and be competitive. The old story of "trying to save them money in the long run" is BS. We all know as pistol shooters that we are never going to be satisfied with just one anyways. And how much money was saved if the newb goes out and buys all the top end Division specific gun and gear only to find out that not only do they not find the sport to their liking, but the stuff they bought is so IPSC specific, like the CZ Shadow and Production Division legal race holsters, that it is not allowed in any other sport?
Lets get them addicted to the sport before moving them to the hard stuff....
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- Prince George B.C.
Since when is Glock not a good IPSC pistol?
I have seen some very good shooters using Glocks in PD.
They are also excellent IDPA pistols.
I read all the Glock bashing on here so I bought one to see for myself. I like it. Very different from my Shadows but different doesn't mean bad it just means different.
John
Perhaps since CZ Shadow been created.
Looking at the top Production division on several recent Canada IPSC Nationals, I'd say most of the top 10 or even 20 shooters are running either CZ Shadow or Tanfoglio Stock. Would be interesting to learn if anyone run Glock, GP100, M&P and other guns there.
Don't get me wrong, nothing stops anyone from shooting IPSC with Glock. But if you are getting a first gun, it is better to get something that would be easy to operate (i.e. trigger pull, reloads, general ergonomics). Personally I've got CZ and I like heavy still frame, but from the plastic guns I'd be looking between M&P or GP100. The latter has an odd rotating recoil, which drags sights to the side.
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New guy starting out can not go wrong with a Glock or a M&P.
Point and shoot. KISS principle. More than accurate enough. Reasonably priced and simple to maintain.
I started with a M&P myself and always recommend the same to newbies who ask me. I shot it in both IDPA and IPSC and it was excellent.
I now have a Glock I have played with a bit and I believe it is every bit as good and would not hesitate to recommend anyone try one.
John
Point and shoot. KISS principle. More than accurate enough. Reasonably priced and simple to maintain.
I started with a M&P myself and always recommend the same to newbies who ask me. I shot it in both IDPA and IPSC and it was excellent.
I now have a Glock I have played with a bit and I believe it is every bit as good and would not hesitate to recommend anyone try one.
John
Good point John. You go south to USPSA matches and depending on the area, you may not see a CZ or few if you do. With Savigny winning everything in sight with his Glocks that pistol gets the same following down there as Adam Tyc gets by shooting the Shadow in IPSC.
As a B, soon to be C class shooter in IPSC I don't feel I shoot the sport any better with my Shadow vs my M&P vs my CZ85 Combat. Simply put, at my skill level, any advantage the Shadow may or may not have is lost in brain cramps and general ineptness and I am OK with that.
If having fun was a classification though I would be Master Class for sure.Take Care
Bob
Keep in mind, Glock 34 that Sevigni is using for USPSA Production is not legal for IPSC Production. Also, USPSA allows more modification on the gun in Production division, especially around changing the trigger. You won't get same nice trigger as most USPSA shooters have in their Glocks and M&Ps. But hey, as long as you can run trough the stage with a gun in your hand and have a wide smile on your face after each stage, any gun would do.
He was not asking about what was our preferred pistol. He was not asking whether a gun he already had would work. He was asking for advice on a pistol for employment in competition in specific sports.
This is what he asked:
Not the pistol but the application
I'm looking for a pistol which can be used (doesn't matter the class). Stock without massive modification for PPC, IPSC, IDPA.
I`m uncertain about where my interest lays at this time I have seen PPC and IPSC and watched a few videos on IDPA. I just wanted to pick up a single pistol to practice with that would work for all three later on down the road depending on where my interest ends up. I was original considering a revolver in .357 mag but I have lost interest in the revolver at this point. So I`m looking for something in 9MM. Cost being the biggest issue.
Basically I wanted to put together a short list of pistols to look at.
Clearly, he was soliciting information about competitive choices.
Any answer that fails to suit all three sports is the wrong answer.
Any answer that is not the most competitive option is the wrong answer.
I think I covered that in my first sentence. The rest was a general comment to the masses. I know as well as anyone what gear is needed to be competitive and to be honest the gun is only a small part.
I've reread his post a couple of times now and I must be missing it....where did he ask for the most competitive pistol? I just see where he asked what could be used with out major mods and that cost was an issue?
I've reread his post a couple of times now and I must be missing it....where did he ask for the most competitive pistol? I just see where he asked what could be used with out major mods and that cost was an issue?
I'm actually trying to avoid multiple guns. I know that's sacrilegious on this site. I wear one pair of shoes one pair of boots and have a one small folding lock blade and one fixed. I find what works for me and use it till I need a new one. Generally I try to have a spare kicking around though.
If I really get into a sport then I'll invest in top end gear but I'll want it to be usable. Right now I'm interested in being allowed to shoot with legal gear. So I get to feel what it's like with the gear that is allowed.
I'm looking for a short list so I can go to Target sports and try each one out to see what fits. Just looking for something that will match all three sports and won't cost an arm and a leg. IPSC has a list, PPC seems pretty easy to match and I was having a little issue finding the information about IDPA. I do not want something I'm going to have to invest tons in to get it to work. At the higher levels I know at some point I will have to put more into it but I'm a little leery of the "Okay so I buy this it's, a great gun but you'll need to get -insert mod. to the gun " I see that when people suggest a Ruger 10/22 "buy one they are great but you'll need a trigger job."
I'm just crazy I think you should be able to buy a gun and have it function well without modification.
If I really get into a sport then I'll invest in top end gear but I'll want it to be usable. Right now I'm interested in being allowed to shoot with legal gear. So I get to feel what it's like with the gear that is allowed.
I'm looking for a short list so I can go to Target sports and try each one out to see what fits. Just looking for something that will match all three sports and won't cost an arm and a leg. IPSC has a list, PPC seems pretty easy to match and I was having a little issue finding the information about IDPA. I do not want something I'm going to have to invest tons in to get it to work. At the higher levels I know at some point I will have to put more into it but I'm a little leery of the "Okay so I buy this it's, a great gun but you'll need to get -insert mod. to the gun " I see that when people suggest a Ruger 10/22 "buy one they are great but you'll need a trigger job."
I'm just crazy I think you should be able to buy a gun and have it function well without modification.
CompBoy go here and register:
http://www.idpacanada.com
The article of equipement requirements is there and is a good read. There is a video on the front page of the video that will give you a good idea about the sport.
As for a short list of guns to try I would try in no particular order:
CZ 75B
Glock 17
M&P 9MM (Gun has adjustable grips)
STI GP 6
All of the above are solid entry level guns that work well in IPSC, IDPA and PPC. Of the four I have shot all but the GP6. All can be had hardly used or new for around $650. Pick the one that you think fits you the best.
You will likley be awhle before your skill level in any of the three shooting sports exceeds what the guns are capable of. If you don't like any or all of the three shooting diciplines you will get most of your money back selling the gun. though I suspect there is less a market for the GP6 due to it being relatively new in the marketplace.
Blade Tec makes an injected molded holster/mag holder that sells for around $60US for the guns.
Take Care
Bob
http://www.idpacanada.com
The article of equipement requirements is there and is a good read. There is a video on the front page of the video that will give you a good idea about the sport.
As for a short list of guns to try I would try in no particular order:
CZ 75B
Glock 17
M&P 9MM (Gun has adjustable grips)
STI GP 6
All of the above are solid entry level guns that work well in IPSC, IDPA and PPC. Of the four I have shot all but the GP6. All can be had hardly used or new for around $650. Pick the one that you think fits you the best.
You will likley be awhle before your skill level in any of the three shooting sports exceeds what the guns are capable of. If you don't like any or all of the three shooting diciplines you will get most of your money back selling the gun. though I suspect there is less a market for the GP6 due to it being relatively new in the marketplace.
Blade Tec makes an injected molded holster/mag holder that sells for around $60US for the guns.
Take Care
Bob
