BCWF ALERT #64/2010: Groups seek ban on lead in hunters' guns, fishing tackle

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From: John B. Holdstock [mailto:jbholdstock@shawcable.com]
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Subject: BCWF ALERT #64/2010: Groups seek ban on lead in hunters' guns,
fishing tackle

Groups seek ban on lead in hunters' guns, fishing tackle
By: Felicity Barringer - The Seattle Times - August 2, 2010
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012516481_hunting03.html

As the U.S. military begins to embrace "green bullets," environmental groups
are pushing state and federal officials to ban the use of lead in hunters'
guns and fishermen's tackle. Their goal is to protect both the animals that
scavenge the carcasses of hunted prey and the people who consume the meat.

The Center for Biological Diversity and the American Bird Conservancy plan
to file a petition Tuesday with the Environmental Protection Agency seeking
a nationwide ban on lead-based sporting ammunition and fishing tackle.
The petitioners argue that "it is now incontrovertible fact" that lead
fragments in the bodies of animals shot with lead bullets or lead pellets
are "a serious source of lead exposure to scavenging animals" and a health
risk to humans who eat hunters' kills.

Scientists have found that chronic lead poisoning in birds leads to
"appetite loss, anemia, anorexia, reproductive or neurological impairment,
immune suppression, weakness, and susceptibility to predation and
starvation," the petition said. Lead's toxicity has long been known, and
most of the uses that led to human exposure, like the manufacture of lead
paint, have been banned for decades. Lead ammunition consumed only about 3
percent of the 6.4 million tons of lead used worldwide in 2000, according to
a 2003 report by the Nordic Council of Ministers. Michael Fry, a wildlife
toxicologist who directs conservation advocacy for the American Bird
Conservancy, said that even sublethal levels of lead in condors, bald eagles
and other raptors can be debilitating, affecting their ability to fly and
avoid collisions.

But hunting organizations dispute the dimensions of the problem. Larry
Keane, the vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting
Sports Foundation, said the petition was "fundamentally flawed as a matter
of science."
"You don't manage harm to individual animals," he said. "Wildlife biologists
manage wildlife populations."

Populations of eagles, one of the raptors cited by the petition as being at
risk, are soaring, Keane added.
Jeff Miller, a conservation advocate at the Center for Biological Diversity,
said several regional bird populations were indeed affected by ingesting
lead ammunition or fishing tackle, including the endangered Mississippi
sandhilll crane; eiders in Alaska, which are listed as threatened by the
Interior Department; and trumpeter swans, considered species of concern in
the Rocky Mountain West.

"If we had to show major population-level effects on many species to
evaluate anything that caused ecological harm, we'd never ban anything," he
said. "There is compelling evidence of harm to many species, and there are
alternatives. It doesn't make sense to continue with it."
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John B. Holdstock
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Kelowna, B.C.
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"If we had to show major population-level effects on many species to
evaluate anything that caused ecological harm, we'd never ban anything," he
said. "There is compelling evidence of harm to many species, and there are
alternatives. It doesn't make sense to continue with it."


Personally I don't see a problem with using existing non toxic alternatives to lead.
And the more use they get the lower the price will be for these items and more will become available.

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An ounce of prevention is better then...oh wait there is no cure for acute lead poisoning.
 
Awwww booo next they'll ##### about gun powder deposits after we've shot lots in one area.

Can never please these enviro pussies huh.

We made it this far in life with lead, get over it.
 
And the more use they get the lower the price will be for these items and more will become available.

Not sure how you figured that one out, but TSX and TTSX are hard enough to come by now. When the 75% of hunters that aren't currently using them, are forced to, supply will be even worse.
 
My antiques will have to toss purified wheel weights and I'll have to start collecting my old lead out of a target box. If lead gets a total ban.

I wonder if you use backing soda as a flux in the lead pot if an old battery COULD be used?
Oh well I use 15 foot pure lead rods for a process at work. The law is not likely to effect industry for awhile and thus not likely to effect resourceful reloaders. Commercial ammo on the other hand will suffer at the hands of a ban on lead....next will be copper to get a bad name...
Wonder how the granola crunchers would feel about a biodegradable cellulose/plastic jacket over a sintered tungsten/bismuth core? ;) lol
 
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It bears noting that the Bird Conservation Alliance (BCA), who is spearheading this anti-lead petition, has among its membership Ducks Unlimited. Now I know they sponsor a lot of trap shooting, and given that a ban on lead in ammunition would pretty much spell the end of trap, I cannot help but feel the bitter irony. :rolleyes:
 
Man biologists can be so stupid sometimes. A car idling for 5 minutes or me chucking a chip bag into a forest probably messes the environment up way more then an animal eating a carcass with a piece of lead in it (which the animal might not even eat that piece of lead located in the dead body). Then again what do I know, he/she has a degree, so they must be obviously smarter than me :rolleyes:!

What I am trying to say is that environmentalists are simply going after gun owners because we do not have an army of lawyers or an endless cash supply to argue out our valid points compared to a large oil company, etc.
 
In the shooting sports you get a lot more than normal exposure to lead. Especially if you are shooting indoors.

Why would you want to eat it to? Low levels cause a host of health issues that you will probably never attribute to lead.

Can we believe the Center for Biological Diversity's numbers? Perhaps not but they are claiming 10 to 20 million birds per year killed (USA). There estimates are also at 3000 tons of lead shot into the environment and 4000 tons in lost fishing tackle per year(USA).

Even if it is 1/10th of that number is still is significant. Why would you want that put into our hunting environment every year?

I don't get why any sort of environmental issue is seen as an attack by legions of blood thirsty anti-gun fanatics.

Do I support a total ban on lead ... of course not. But if we can work to better preserve our wildlife should we not do that? The best public image as hunters we can have is to be strong Conservationists and active participants in wildlife management. In my opinion this is the best way we preserve our hunting/shooting rights.
 
LOL Military use the most amount of lead, commerical use or sport use is basically only a tiny bit.
Look at the soldiers, they carry 500 rounds per person, and run them like toilet flushes...

It's all politics. They need to find stuff to do to keep their jobs.
 
LOL Military use the most amount of lead, commerical use or sport use is basically only a tiny bit.
Look at the soldiers, they carry 500 rounds per person, and run them like toilet flushes...

It's all politics. They need to find stuff to do to keep their jobs.

The military would be a major source but this is primarily on base at the range.

See below. The U.S military has been working on lead free amunition for some time and are phasing out lead core ammo. I do not know what the Canadian military is planning but I would assume at some point they would follow suit.

http://www.acfnewsource.org/environment/green_bullets.html
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/07/marine_ammo_071110w/
 
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