Other TAR-21 vs FS2000 impressions...

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Title pretty much says it. Based upon a single review on here, I'm not seeing much in terms of how people like the TAR-21 against its nemesis, the FS2000. Since I'm looking at purchasing one (just one, don't need both) from the one review it appears that the FS2000 (a) is more accurate (b) gets less dirty (c) easier to clean (d) may have a better trigger and (e) has no bolt hold open but does eject the shells from the front and (f) has less recoil. The Tavor seems to shine in the mag release department and (perhaps) from an ergonomics perspective because it is a thinner gun. So, is the FS2000 the clear "winner".. or is there some + or - points that others have seen between them? Any reliability issues with certain ammo types or any pieces that are breaking easily (I could see the FS2000 breaking easier with the plastic parts inside... unless the TAR has alot of plastic inside as well)?

And one edit: Anyone that uses the MARS sight... what's to like and dislike about it?
 
Tavor requires a lefty bolt to go full lefty, Fs2000 is true ambi without any conversion. The forward ejection works really well too.

Tavor mags drop free and pmags work, Fs2000 will not drop free and only accepts GI mags.

Tavor is slimmer, but trigger is a bit heavy, Fs2000 is a fat girl, but she has a smoother trigger. The Fs2000 feels better in the hand IMO.

Tavor has the bolt more forward, harder to charge than the Fs2000, but the bolt holds open. The Fs2000 has no bolt open but easier to rack since its right at the center.

They are pretty close, the biggest difference is that that IWI provides a factory barrel that is non restricted. For a Fs2000 you will need to get a conversion barrel that pushes it 1 more inch longer.

Tavor breakdown is pretty simple and can be done in a short time, the Fs2000 takes a wee bit longer...

I feel the FN is more innovative, where the IWI is a refinement of existing bulpups.
I like both:) But the AR15 still wins when it comes to HSLG.
 
Previous post sums it up nicely. As for the no hold open on the FN, it is worth mentioning that there is a notch that you can rotate the charging handle into in order to hold the action to the rear. This greatly aids dealing with any malfunction or clearing the rifle.

I should also say that as fat as the FN looks, it is really quite small in person.

The Tavor also has a REALLY annoying stink when you fire it. You cannot help but inhale the fumes. Made it unpleasant to shoot. Charging handle is rougher and heavier then the FN.

YMMV.
 
Just picked up a Tavor to go alongside my FS2000.

I've had the FS2000 for several years (one of the first two in the country), so I've had a while to formulate an opinion based on my experience with it.
I have just completed the conversion over to a left handed bolt operation and not put rounds through the Tavor, so pre-mature on an a side by side operational comparison.

Comparing the two regarding the functionality of stripping, cleaning and general handling though, and I'd have to say the FN comes out on top of that battle. I'll post more in depth info when I've had a chance to run them side by side.
 
The mag changes with the Tavor are a lot better. Drop free, and if you use your strong hand thumb to release the mag, the weak hand can be putting in a mag. Very easy and fairly quick.

I'd like to have both some day. But for now I'm happy with the Tavor.
 
hotspike said:
I would go with the Tavor. IMHO.
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Care to elaborate hotspike? The general feeling is that the FS2000 is the better rifle in terms of ergonomics, except for the magazine release. It also seems to be a toss-up on maintanance.

I've heard about the 'stink' from the TAR-21 before, but I've also heard that it goes away after a few hundred rounds since they coat the weapon internals in some type of anti-corrosive material... but this may have been a load of BS from the person I was talking to. Any others have this problem, and/or has it gone away over time?

How about malfunctions and problems? I've heard the slam-fire issue on the TAR's has been eliminated, but is there any other known issues of concern? Has there been any changes on the FS2000's charging handle (known to break since it's polymer). And any problems with the FS2000's loading/ejecting and, if so, is it an issue with a certain type of ammunition or is it a general problem?

As well, which rifle is truly the best for shooting in general? I've heard the Tavor kicks pretty hard and the FS2000 has almost no recoil whatsoever? Saying that, I've also seen two reports that the FN is more accurate out-of-the-box than the TAR... but perhaps there are others with different opinions...

Thanks for the answers so far. One other question for those who have fired the "non-restricted" version of the FS2000, any problems with the barrel over time, and would you say there is any difference between the shooting pattern of the restricted vs non-restricted version of the FN (if you've fired both)?
 
beltfed said:
Just picked up a Tavor to go alongside my FS2000.

I've had the FS2000 for several years (one of the first two in the country), so I've had a while to formulate an opinion based on my experience with it.
I have just completed the conversion over to a left handed bolt operation and not put rounds through the Tavor, so pre-mature on an a side by side operational comparison.

Comparing the two regarding the functionality of stripping, cleaning and general handling though, and I'd have to say the FN comes out on top of that battle. I'll post more in depth info when I've had a chance to run them side by side.
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Thanks for the answer, looking forward to the update!
 
The mag changes are a lot quicker with the Tavor, I'd agree there.

Due to the nature of it being right at the shooting hands wrist though, there is the ability to dump a mag at the most ill-timed moment depending on the size of the shooters hands, whether they are wearing gloves or simply how they are manipulating the rifle with the shooting hand.
It's convenient; maybe just a little too convenient, especially for a fighting rifle.
 
twyeh said:
Tavor requires a lefty bolt to go full lefty, Fs2000 is true ambi without any conversion. The forward ejection works really well too.

Tavor mags drop free and pmags work, Fs2000 will not drop free and only accepts GI mags.

Tavor is slimmer, but trigger is a bit heavy, Fs2000 is a fat girl, but she has a smoother trigger. The Fs2000 feels better in the hand IMO.

Tavor has the bolt more forward, harder to charge than the Fs2000, but the bolt holds open. The Fs2000 has no bolt open but easier to rack since its right at the center.

They are pretty close, the biggest difference is that that IWI provides a factory barrel that is non restricted. For a Fs2000 you will need to get a conversion barrel that pushes it 1 more inch longer.

Tavor breakdown is pretty simple and can be done in a short time, the Fs2000 takes a wee bit longer...

I feel the FN is more innovative, where the IWI is a refinement of existing bulpups.
I like both:) But the AR15 still wins when it comes to HSLG.
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Great points! I do have one question about the brass ejection from both rifles. I'm under the assumption that the brass ejects pretty much the same as an M4 from the TAR, but on the FN, does the brass get close enough to hit your fingers on the foregrip? I've seen some videos of it just 'falling out', but has anyone had any problems with the brass hitting fingertips? And speaking of 'burns', are there any areas of concern regarding massive heat build-up on either of the rifles polymer parts after firing a few rounds (or many rounds)?
 
beltfed said:
The mag changes are a lot quicker with the Tavor, I'd agree there.

Due to the nature of it being right at the shooting hands wrist though, there is the ability to dump a mag at the most ill-timed moment depending on the size of the shooters hands, whether they are wearing gloves or simply how they are manipulating the rifle with the shooting hand.
It's convenient; maybe just a little too convenient, especially for a fighting rifle.
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Interesting! I wondering how many on here have actually released the mag by accident under non-stress situations?
 
Bracketman said:
The general feeling is that the FS2000 is the better rifle in terms of ergonomics
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Really? I haven't heard this opinion much, and I personally doubt it's the "general feeling"... what do you base that on?

I liked the FN, but I went with the Tavor due to

1/ the lack of the last-round bolt hold-open on the FN, and
2/ the fact that mags drop free on the Tavor.

Both of these together - along with the excellent Tavor mag-release and bolt-release design - result in very quick mag changes, which I was looking for in a bullpup.

My opinion only, of course... H:S:
 
I have both rifles also. They are both new to me and I still need to shoot more to make my conclusion. But so far I like the Tavor more. Here are the reasons:

1. I am 100% lefty and after installing the left hand bolt to the Tavor, it feels better than the FS2000 due to the placement of the charging handle (FS2000 is always on the left side).

2. Some parts of FS2000 are made purely by plastic. For the first time I disassemble the gun I already broken a part called "switch" and I am still waiting for a replacement (so actually I cannot shoot it for a while). Anyone who say FS2000 is easier to assemble /disassemble is not true. Too me both are hard (both require some force to pull down the spring in order to take out / put in some parts) but at least Tavor has more metal and is harder to break. I am sure FS2000 is not as durable.

3. At least for me I strongly think the trigger pull for Tavor is not as hard as FS2000.
 
CobraGT said:
Really? I haven't heard this opinion much, and I personally doubt it's the "general feeling"... what do you base that on?

I liked the FN, but I went with the Tavor due to

1/ the lack of the last-round bolt hold-open on the FN, and
2/ the fact that mags drop free on the Tavor.

Both of these together - along with the excellent Tavor mag-release and bolt-release design - result in very quick mag changes, which I was looking for in a bullpup.

My opinion only, of course... H:S:
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Sorry, poor choice of words! I should have said the 'balance' is a little more favourable for the FS2000 from those that have owned/fired both, since I've heard the TAR has a rear CoG which is great when shouldered, but not necessarily that great when trying to shoulder or get to a firing position. That, however, differs from shooter to shooter, and I haven't fielded one yet so the difference may be slight.. or perhaps even negligible. Regardless, I can see both needing a sling! As for the ergonomics, they're pretty similar except for the width -- even though they look massively different in appearance. I can see + and - for both, but the thinner profile would probably be more desirable in most situations and for use with most equipment.
 
proflui said:
I have both rifles also. They are both new to me and I still need to shoot more to make my conclusion. But so far I like the Tavor more. Here are the reasons:

1. I am 100% lefty and after installing the left hand bolt to the Tavor, it feels better than the FS2000 due to the placement of the charging handle (FS2000 is always on the left side).

2. Some parts of FS2000 are made purely by plastic. For the first time I disassemble the gun I already broken a part called "switch" and I am still waiting for a replacement (so actually I cannot shoot it for a while). Anyone who say FS2000 is easier to assemble /disassemble is not true. Too me both are hard (both require some force to pull down the spring in order to take out / put in some parts) but at least Tavor has more metal and is harder to break. I am sure FS2000 is not as durable.

3. At least for me I strongly think the trigger pull for Tavor is not as hard as FS2000.
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I can see the left-hand bolt being extremely important and a real deciding factor if you're left handed! As well, is the 'switch' you're referring to the safety switch, or another switch (receiver toggle)? This is why I ask before I buy, since more and more people might start bringing up common problems with the weapon systems and thus prove to be a deal-breaker. I do also like the extra metal in the TAR, since the weights of the weapons are very close, and moving plastic pieces do scare me somewhat.
 
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