So I'm reading all of these threads about these Korean M1 Garands and I'm thinking what happened to all of the captured rifles? Like out of all of the Garands built how many are in enemy hands Vietnam Korea etc.? Does anyone know?
Captured Rifles
- Thread starter Bart212
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i know of a guy in holland that has a f/a trw m14 that was "dropped " by marvin and ended up in nva hands, and then sold to him- whether it went black market or whatever , i don't know, but somehow it must have got back into the system( maybe through a surplus arms deal) where it would have been re-registered and re-"legitimized" , but most nowdays are DESTROYED
During the American pull-put from 'Nam, they left behind more than 800,000 M-16 rifles alone, plus M-1s, Carbines, Grease Guns, Tommies, M1911A1s, M-14s, just about everything you could think of. Those were on top of what they already had given and/or sold to South Viet-Nam.
That's a LOT of equipment.
The Commies ended up with nearly all of it and it has been turning up ever since in the hands of various terrorist and insurgent groups (which our mass media insists on calling 'freedom fighters' or 'agrarian reformers' or some such pap). Must be real nice for a friendly Socialist government to have a spare million-and-a-half politically-deniable automatic firearms lying around.
But the people can't be trusted to have them. Oh, no. They might start some violence. Better to let the Government have everything; that way we KNOW there will be some violence started. READ "The Twentieth Century Book of the Dead".
That's a LOT of equipment.
The Commies ended up with nearly all of it and it has been turning up ever since in the hands of various terrorist and insurgent groups (which our mass media insists on calling 'freedom fighters' or 'agrarian reformers' or some such pap). Must be real nice for a friendly Socialist government to have a spare million-and-a-half politically-deniable automatic firearms lying around.
But the people can't be trusted to have them. Oh, no. They might start some violence. Better to let the Government have everything; that way we KNOW there will be some violence started. READ "The Twentieth Century Book of the Dead".
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There was a pic of a NVA using a No1 Mk5 to shoot at "american sky pirates"
And NOI I did NOT mean a No5Mk1.
And NOI I did NOT mean a No5Mk1.
Some Garands came in from Vietnam a number of yrs ago. They were neglected, rusted out junk. About 20 yrs ago some of the M1903s which had been supplied to the Nationalist Chinese during WW2 came back in similar shape. One exception were the ex-Chinese Inglis Browning HPs that were on the market about 25 yrs ago. They were in pretty good shape. There are still caves full of old ordnance out there waiting for the boulders to be rolled back from the doors.
"About 20 yrs ago some of the M1903s which had been supplied to the Nationalist Chinese during WW2 came back in similar shape."
Also a number of M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines in that batch, they had been reblued and the stocks painted over with a dark brown varnish. They were covered in hardened black axle grease and it took a prolonged bath in diesel oil to clean them up. Also a number of re-blued Colt 1911 and 1911A1 in that shipment, a few of them were coverted to 7.62 Tokarev.
Also a number of M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines in that batch, they had been reblued and the stocks painted over with a dark brown varnish. They were covered in hardened black axle grease and it took a prolonged bath in diesel oil to clean them up. Also a number of re-blued Colt 1911 and 1911A1 in that shipment, a few of them were coverted to 7.62 Tokarev.
I saw militia exercises in Vietnam, saw some of them carrying M16's.
I also got to shoot an M16 at a gun range in Vietnam. It looked very well maintained, clean bore and chamber etc, but it jammed ever 2 rounds...what a POS.
OneBarfly
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that's b/c your unit armourer never gave the rifle the "treatment"- it involved a 1/4 inch drill, a piece of 30 cal cleaning rod, , a jag, and a hunk of emery cloth- and about a good half hour of time- when you're only issued one rifle, you MAKE things work- the other half of the equation was bum magazines, which were "corrected" by loading 18, not 20
I was there as a tourist a few years ago. I know what you mean, polish the chamber up nicely.
Mag spring felt kind of light too.
This rifle was Vietnam war era, I'm sure the later versions are a lot better.
MauserMike
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Vietnam era surplus ammo? Read up on the saga on the M16 problems in Vietnam some time. Sounds exactly like the accounts I've read:
Many M-16's had tight chambers, not chrome plated in the early days either.
Too fast burning dirty powder --> dirty (tight) chamber, extraction cycle starts too early from fast powder --> extractor hops rim or tears it off - next round feels and hammers it in ever harder.
Many a soldier or marine was found dead with a cleaning rod jammed in the muzzle trying to extract such a failure.
