I have had a 35 Rem in a Contender Carbine for about 20 years. At 5.5 lbs, with a 3X Leupold is is really handy and accurate. I am confident to 200 meters for deer, but not my choice for moose. Where it really excels is when hand loaded. I've created light deer loads with jacketed pistol bullets for my kids, and always carry light swc cast for grouse. 35 Rem brass is getting harder to find, but this is a versatile cartridge. Good luck with your rifle search!
.35 Remington
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While the 35 Remington has indeed not been around as long as the 30-30 win, it has been around since 1906, so it is only a few years younger.
Look at the current offering available in 35 Remington vs 30-30 Win. Lot's of 30-30 rifles available by makers such as Marlin, T/C, Mossberg, and Henry Repeating Arms.
Only Marlin seems to bother with the 35 Rem now.
And what about ammunition choices and availability. The 30-30 again comes out way ahead (I'm thinking factory ammunition as not every one hand loads)
And ammunition prices, the 30-30 Win still is at the forefront.
Let's look at ballistics.
The 30-30 has more energy @ 100 and 200 yards than the 35 Rem. (I used Remington's ballistic calculator and 150 gr bullet....30-30 = 1296 ft/lbs @ 100 yds and 858 ft/lbs @ 200 yds. The 35 Rem with 150 gr bullet ...1196 ft/lbs @ 100 yds and 755 ft/lbs @ 200. FWIW, the muzzle velocity is only 90 fps faster for the 30-30.
Realistically speaking the perform between the 2 are pretty much the same. The deer/moose will not know the difference.
Personally I like orphan guns/cartridges and would like to have a 336 in 35 Rem someday, just because.
Look at the current offering available in 35 Remington vs 30-30 Win. Lot's of 30-30 rifles available by makers such as Marlin, T/C, Mossberg, and Henry Repeating Arms.
Only Marlin seems to bother with the 35 Rem now.
And what about ammunition choices and availability. The 30-30 again comes out way ahead (I'm thinking factory ammunition as not every one hand loads)
And ammunition prices, the 30-30 Win still is at the forefront.
Let's look at ballistics.
The 30-30 has more energy @ 100 and 200 yards than the 35 Rem. (I used Remington's ballistic calculator and 150 gr bullet....30-30 = 1296 ft/lbs @ 100 yds and 858 ft/lbs @ 200 yds. The 35 Rem with 150 gr bullet ...1196 ft/lbs @ 100 yds and 755 ft/lbs @ 200. FWIW, the muzzle velocity is only 90 fps faster for the 30-30.
Realistically speaking the perform between the 2 are pretty much the same. The deer/moose will not know the difference.
Personally I like orphan guns/cartridges and would like to have a 336 in 35 Rem someday, just because.
Brutus
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Certainly, there is no doubt the 30-30 is more popular.
But when it comes to quoting ballistics, for the average hunter this is a moot point within reason.
I digress and point at American hunting forums with the subject of wild boar/feral pigs.
Many of thier more experienced boar hunters, prefer the bigger calibres, if they have a choice, in the south-eastern states.
Myself I would not feel underarmed with a 30-30 handloads & 170 grain RN Noslers for these four legged, tusky beasts.
But when it comes to quoting ballistics, for the average hunter this is a moot point within reason.
I digress and point at American hunting forums with the subject of wild boar/feral pigs.
Many of thier more experienced boar hunters, prefer the bigger calibres, if they have a choice, in the south-eastern states.
Myself I would not feel underarmed with a 30-30 handloads & 170 grain RN Noslers for these four legged, tusky beasts.
I have owned three rifles chambered in .35 rem, and a couple in 30-30 and could not tell the difference with performance on deer. I have seen moose fall to 170 gr. PP out of a
30-30. The real difference will be in obtaining cartridges , every Wal-Mart, Canadian Tire
and co-op will have 30-30 in stock, .35 rem. is touch and go.
30-30. The real difference will be in obtaining cartridges , every Wal-Mart, Canadian Tire
and co-op will have 30-30 in stock, .35 rem. is touch and go.
tactical lever
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Forget about "bucking brush", any bullet can easily be deflected by a twig in the wrong spot. A certain author actually tested this theory and got better results with his .270 than the brush bucking cartridge (can't remember, but it was bigger and slower). The slower cartridges are actually less stable in flight in that they are spinning slower. If disrupted slightly, they bullet may not have the rotational inertia to recover.
If you want to compare ballistics, use the 170 gr. for the 30-30 or the 160 gr. Nosler, it ends up with more ft. lbs. and more inertia down range. I believe the .35 is best served with 200-225 grain bullets and using short for caliber for comparison doesn't make sense to me. You'll end up with better performance with the right weight for velocity and caliber. On paper the 30-30 has the edge at 200 yards, but the .35 will have more momentum and larger frontal diameter, but as noted not a lot of people are using them at that range. I would give the .35 the edge anything under 200 yards and at close range it will kill things 20% deader. (really, they actually end up deader!)
For reloading some have found fairly inconsistent data for the 30-30 but if you take your time it shouldn't be a problem. More bullets (esp. lever evolution from Hornady) and cheaper shooting for the 30-30.
They both have their place, nothing wrong with either. I like my 45-70 and would take it to Africa, but for anything over here, save the big bears I wouldn't feel unarmed with my 30-30 either.
As for popularity, the .35 is here to stay and the whole .35 caliber class is due for another resurgence. 20 years ago the 45-70 was all but forgotton and 15 years ago the Marlin guide gun in stainless came out and now everyone and their dog has one.
If you want to compare ballistics, use the 170 gr. for the 30-30 or the 160 gr. Nosler, it ends up with more ft. lbs. and more inertia down range. I believe the .35 is best served with 200-225 grain bullets and using short for caliber for comparison doesn't make sense to me. You'll end up with better performance with the right weight for velocity and caliber. On paper the 30-30 has the edge at 200 yards, but the .35 will have more momentum and larger frontal diameter, but as noted not a lot of people are using them at that range. I would give the .35 the edge anything under 200 yards and at close range it will kill things 20% deader. (really, they actually end up deader!)
For reloading some have found fairly inconsistent data for the 30-30 but if you take your time it shouldn't be a problem. More bullets (esp. lever evolution from Hornady) and cheaper shooting for the 30-30.
They both have their place, nothing wrong with either. I like my 45-70 and would take it to Africa, but for anything over here, save the big bears I wouldn't feel unarmed with my 30-30 either.
As for popularity, the .35 is here to stay and the whole .35 caliber class is due for another resurgence. 20 years ago the 45-70 was all but forgotton and 15 years ago the Marlin guide gun in stainless came out and now everyone and their dog has one.
Practical ranges
A survey conducted by a major U.S. hunting magazine a few years ago found that 92% of all game animals were shot under 150 yards. That is well within the range of the .35 Remington cartridge.
One thing we should look at is what range you ACTUALLY shoot a game animal at. I have hunted for over 55 years, shot more game animals than I can remember, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and I think that 80% of them have been less than 100 yards distance. I lived in Alberta and B.C. for over 25 years, and hunted Deer, Elk, Moose, and Bears. My favorite rifle was not a lever action, but a Ruger Mannlicher carbine, in .308 calibre, with a 18 1/2 inch barrel. Light, handy, and effective. Do you really need a rifle when you are into the thick woods that will shoot accurately at 400 yards, when you can see 50 yards if you are real lucky?
Out on the Prairies or foothills of Alberta, a longer reaching cartridge such as the .270, 30-06, etc. might be a bit better in some instances, but there is also a lot of bush in those Provinces too. A long barreled Magnum in the Cedar swamps of the east, the forests, or the black timber of the west may be effective, but it sure as heck is not handy. It will be a lot harder to carry and get hung up in the brush, will be heavier to lug around, and your large power scope on top of it will be harder to find your target in, especially when it is disappearing into a mass of pine trees.
Even here in Manitoba, I use a slim, well balanced, Husqvarna 9.3x57 with an old Weaver K-3 scope on it. Great to carry (nobody here make any mention as to my age and weight, please), and very effective, along with the appreciation of hunting with a finely crafted rifle.
We should also mention the .35 family cousins, the 9x57 Mauser, the 9.3x57 Mauser, the .358 Winchester, and the big one, the .35 Whelan. These are not the only ones, as there are many others in the area, the 35 Winchester, 38-55 Winchester, and so on.
The .35 Remington is a fine cartridge for it's intended purpose....that of putting meat on the table. If you do your part, it will do just that.
A survey conducted by a major U.S. hunting magazine a few years ago found that 92% of all game animals were shot under 150 yards. That is well within the range of the .35 Remington cartridge.
One thing we should look at is what range you ACTUALLY shoot a game animal at. I have hunted for over 55 years, shot more game animals than I can remember, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and I think that 80% of them have been less than 100 yards distance. I lived in Alberta and B.C. for over 25 years, and hunted Deer, Elk, Moose, and Bears. My favorite rifle was not a lever action, but a Ruger Mannlicher carbine, in .308 calibre, with a 18 1/2 inch barrel. Light, handy, and effective. Do you really need a rifle when you are into the thick woods that will shoot accurately at 400 yards, when you can see 50 yards if you are real lucky?
Out on the Prairies or foothills of Alberta, a longer reaching cartridge such as the .270, 30-06, etc. might be a bit better in some instances, but there is also a lot of bush in those Provinces too. A long barreled Magnum in the Cedar swamps of the east, the forests, or the black timber of the west may be effective, but it sure as heck is not handy. It will be a lot harder to carry and get hung up in the brush, will be heavier to lug around, and your large power scope on top of it will be harder to find your target in, especially when it is disappearing into a mass of pine trees.
Even here in Manitoba, I use a slim, well balanced, Husqvarna 9.3x57 with an old Weaver K-3 scope on it. Great to carry (nobody here make any mention as to my age and weight, please), and very effective, along with the appreciation of hunting with a finely crafted rifle.
We should also mention the .35 family cousins, the 9x57 Mauser, the 9.3x57 Mauser, the .358 Winchester, and the big one, the .35 Whelan. These are not the only ones, as there are many others in the area, the 35 Winchester, 38-55 Winchester, and so on.
The .35 Remington is a fine cartridge for it's intended purpose....that of putting meat on the table. If you do your part, it will do just that.
Hornady now makes the LeveRevolution ammo for 35 rem I picked up a couple of boxes mainly for the brass as I handload. I love the round, very mild recoil and I use .357 pistol bullets for plinking at the range.
I have a 336c but it misfires quite often and I can't seem to find a source for parts, or even know whats wrong with it?
I have a 336c but it misfires quite often and I can't seem to find a source for parts, or even know whats wrong with it?
Seeing that you could not find a source for parts and do not know what is wrong with it and therefore do no know what part(s) it may need, I would suggest taking it to a gunsmith.
FWIW, parts are readily available from Marlin, Western Gun Parts, Numrich, Brownells, etc. I don't think you looked very hard.
Again, take it to a gunsmith. It probably needs to be cleaned properly.
Mount Sweetness
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- Southern Ontario
Anyone own a Remingtion 141 Gamemaster Pump?
Another way to look at it is that you left it there for a year.
There are other good smiths out there. Ask around, find one, talk to him and send it in the mail. Problem solved.
I live in NB and send all my stuff to BC for work. It's cheaper than driving all over NB trying to get work done. Postage is cheaper than gas and takes up less of my time.
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Yeah, I've got one in .32 Rem, it's a real slick woods rifle but I always wanted one in .35. A lot easier to feed.
- Location
- Kawartha Lakes area of Ont
Yes, but in .30 Rem. My .35 is a Model 8.
tactical lever
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Fox Creek, Alberta
When you handload you may be leaving a small amount of lube on the shoulder. If memory serves, the .35 Rem. has a very small shoulder and with this kind cartridge all it takes is a little contamination in the chamber or case shoulder to cushion the firing pin blow.
Try taking your rifle apart to really clean it out and make sure your cases are wiped down as well. And while it's apart really clean your bolt up and inspect the firing pin, should be round (not jagged or rough) at the business end. Remove the pin and make sure it moves freely.
If you do need parts, Western Gun Parts in Edmonton can get just about anything.
contaucreek
CGN Regular
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- Methropolitan Haliburton Ont
