Help Requested - jammed CZH 2003

Thanks guys.

The rifle was sold to me as new, but I can tell it has been fired a few times. It is basically new. Sold to me as a 58L.

Just for comparison, can someone post a pic of a loaded round in thier cz? Just want to see how far out I am.

No gunsmith for many miles. I will call the retailer tomorrow.

Thanks
 
Dbryan said:
Thanks guys.

The rifle was sold to me as new, but I can tell it has been fired a few times. It is basically new. Sold to me as a 58L.

Just for comparison, can someone post a pic of a loaded round in thier cz? Just want to see how far out I am.

No gunsmith for many miles. I will call the retailer tomorrow.

Thanks
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the back of the ammo sticks out about 2mm from the chamber.

dont put any more live round in the chamber cos you still have the other problem of why it didnt fire . take it back to the retailer.
 
lone-wolf said:
Yeah, but I had no idea what to look for with a broken case in the chamber, maybe he doesn't either.
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Here's the pic from your album. You can see the edge of the broken casing in the highlighted area. You will be able to feel the edge with a pic or fine-bladed screw-driver, as well.

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Stevo said:
Here's the pic from your album. You can see the edge of the broken casing in the highlighted area. You will be able to feel the edge with a pic or fine-bladed screw-driver, as well.

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DO NOT USE A SCREW DRIVER to try to remove the broken shell case....

Better than a screw driver (seen too many scored & damaged chambers) see if you can find a sten/enfield "broken shell extractor".

Or try to catch the edge of the case with the end of your cleaning rod, and tap it out...

Whereabouts are you located?
 
That's an old pic, 762x39mm broken shell extractor handled it easily.
Stevo was saying you can feel the broken shell with a screw driver, not remove it.

I'm pretty interested in what the problem is now. If the retailer exchanges it, I hope they tell you what was wrong.
 
The headspace was shot in my CZH2003 as well and I had plenty of FTEs. The extractor ripped the rim off just like he described but I never had a broken case. I too was told "it was probably a cleaning issue".

The gunsmith tried all the locks available from wolverine but still couldn't get the headspace right. There was nothing more he could do. I bought mine used on the EE as a vz-58L but was far too late on getting the true problem diagnosed.

Fixing the problem will cost more than the rifle is worth, unless inexpensive new barrels turn up (and assuming someone has the right press to change them). The rifle has been sitting on a rack at the gunsmiths for half a year now. I had a second opinion and both gunsmiths told me the rifle should have never even left the factory.

This is the fourth CZH2003 I have heard of that has had this identical problem. I have never heard of an 858 with this issue.

I can handle factory defects. What bothers me more is that fact that these flawed rifles are simply resold on the EE and elsewhere to get rid of them. People need to keep these lemons out of circulation.
 
mr_trout said:
I can handle factory defects. What bothers me more is that fact that these flawed rifles are simply resold on the EE and elsewhere to get rid of them. People need to keep these lemons out of circulation.
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All too frequently you'll read someone write:

"I had this problem, and that problem, the rifle was a lemon, da da da... I was so happy when I sold it an bought an ###."

In other words, buyer beware!
 
mr_trout said:
Fixing the problem will cost more than the rifle is worth, unless inexpensive new barrels turn up (and assuming someone has the right press to change them).
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I forget if you were involved in the thread, but NEA said they will be offering new barrels(and installing them) for ~$200. And that it will fix the headspace issue.
 
Are you sure installation was included in that price?

Are these CZH 2003s with the headspace issues factory rifles, user-finished stripped receiver guns, or both?
 
Stevo said:
Are you sure installation was included in that price?
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"It looks as though we are going to be able to bring to market 18.75" and 12-14" stainless steel VZ barrels, installed and verified on your VZ for $200."
That's how it sounded, I may be wrong, it does seem low. How it looks now, and when they have everything set up and ready to go, could be very different.

Stevo said:
Are these CZH 2003s with the headspace issues factory rifles, user-finished stripped receiver guns, or both?
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The stripped receiver guns, from marstar, came with barrels installed, so they must all be factory rifles, yes?
 
lone-wolf said:
"It looks as though we are going to be able to bring to market 18.75" and 12-14" stainless steel VZ barrels, installed and verified on your VZ for $200."
That's how it sounded, I may be wrong, it does seem low. How it looks now, and when they have everything set up and ready to go, could be very different.


The stripped receiver guns, from marstar, came with barrels installed, so they must all be factory rifles, yes?
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I meant to say barreled receivers, my mistake.
 
yea, I know, but they must of been completed factory rifles at one point right?
The mag well on mine was worn, someone was inserting/removing magazines a bunch of times.
I assume it was once a completed rifle, possibly sold/returned, stripped and sold for parts.
 
lone-wolf said:
yea, I know, but they must of been completed factory rifles at one point right?
The mag well on mine was worn, someone was inserting/removing magazines a bunch of times.
I assume it was once a completed rifle, possibly sold/returned, stripped and sold for parts.
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Yes, they must have. I can't see them being imported like that.

I concur with your last assumption.
 
One thing I never confirmed was if this headspace flaw only applied to the non-restricted "58L" or if it happened in the normal length restricted rifles. As far as I know, the chromed full length barrels were a Canadian exclusive, and the restricted CZH2003 used the normal military barrels.

"It looks as though we are going to be able to bring to market 18.75" and 12-14" stainless steel VZ barrels, installed and verified on your VZ for $200."
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I had heard rumors of this before and am eagerly waiting to see what shows up. As I mentioned before, my CZH2003 is currently gathering dust on a rack at the gunsmiths, waiting for replacement barrels to appear on the market.
 
There is a restricted barrel on the EE, for $200.

You'd think they would have checked headspace at factory, where they could rebarrel a rifle before it leaves. Maybe the production of the non-res version was rushed. Speculation.
 
Just waiting until I can bring it into a gunsmith to get it checked . The retailer asked me to get it checked, before sending it back east and if it is a headspace issue they will refund me 100%.

Any recommendations as to who to take it to in the Vancouver area?

Thanks
 
Shakyshooter said:
I have made several post with the exact same issue......got mine from marstar....did drill and brush trick ....worked for about 10 rounds.

link to my pics......most of the replys are consistant with what you are receiving here....in the long run issue was not resolved and rifle sits in safe for now.

http://picasaweb.google.com/shakyshooter1944/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCOqpuaqNiqXgAw#
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I have no idea how widespread this really is, but maybe it is worth mentioning it in the vz-58 FAQ sticky as a known flaw in some CZH2003 rifles?

It seems more than a few people had this problem misdiagnosed as a cleaning issue or something else. If the headspace is out to lunch in some of these rifles, I think people should be informed about it.
 
Dbryan said:
Just waiting until I can bring it into a gunsmith to get it checked . The retailer asked me to get it checked, before sending it back east and if it is a headspace issue they will refund me 100%.

Any recommendations as to who to take it to in the Vancouver area?

Thanks
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There are a few that I know of and others may know more.

Dlaskarms, add www. <---- that name .com

wanstalls, a sponsor has an in house smith. I am not sure how familiar he is with the rifle.

There is another smith his name is Barry, can't remember the business name he knows the rifles quite well if I am not mistaken.

Others should chime in with names as well. I hope you get it figured out. If it doesn't work be sure to take advantage of the dealers offer in a full refund. You can grab a cz858-2 off the EE for a good price and not worry about these issues again.
 
Broken case neck

where you able to look at some of the spent cases so see if you had a case neck brake off. Had similar problem with sks once , the neck of the case broke off in thr throat of the chamber, and its alomst imposible to see.
 
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