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what can be done by myself or gunsmith to improve the accuracy of a savage action (243 short action) i have allready instaled a timminy trigger , what will these upgeades cost , and is there anyone in s ontario that can do the work,
 
what can be done by myself or gunsmith to improve the accuracy of a savage action (243 short action) i have allready instaled a timminy trigger , what will these upgeades cost , and is there anyone in s ontario that can do the work,

Have you tried shooting it? Maybe it doesn't need work. A new barrel will likely give you the greatest accuracy gains. You are looking at between 325$ to 500$ to buy and have a bbl chambered and installed.

Sean
 
yes i shoot it lots it works well the way it is , and plan on a barrel upgrade ,but durrind the time to get a barrel i thought i could get some work done to it if it was going to make a differance
 
Since you've done the trigger, a proper bedding job never hurts and handloading for best accuracy
 
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Since you've done the tigger, a proper bedding job never hurts and handloading for best accuracy

That's as good advice as they get. Before glass bedding the gunsmith can make sure that face of the action is square to the bolt, also custom ( ground flat ) recoil lug is good to have, add proper crown and you will be good to go. Savage barrels are very good just the way they are.
 
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That's as good advice as they get. Before glass bedding the gunsmith can make sure that face of the action is square to the bolt, also custom ( ground flat ) recoil lug is good to have, add proper crown and you will be good to go. Savage barrels are very good just the way they are.

Savages use a floating bolt head making this a non-issue like it is with Remington's.

Many people also have great success with the factory recoil lug just ask mysticplayer.

I would recommend getting the bolt timed to lower bolt lift effort.

PM mystic player he's the savage expert in these parts.
 
Savages use a floating bolt head making this a non-issue like it is with Remington's.

Many people also have great success with the factory recoil lug just ask mysticplayer.


PM mystic player he's the savage expert in these parts.

Sorry srt but you don't know what you are talking about. If face of action isn't square to the centerline of action ( Remington 700 actions are the worst in that department ) and factory stamped recoil lug is unevenly thick then you can end up with crooked mounted barrel not in line with action and no amount of floating bolt head will "rescue" the accuracy. Also to ease the assembly I think the tolerances of the barrel threads are to large for my taste, I have seen couple of pretty bad samples.
 
With a Savage, I only consider the alignment from the lugs forward. Everything behind will not affect the result as the bolt head is 'separated' from the rest of the action. yes, the movement in the bolt body when the sear drops has no affect on the lock up of the action.

Most Savage actions are very straight from the factory so what little is offline, can be taken up by the bolt head.

The floating bolt head must make full contact with the receiver. Pretty common to see lugs that seat with 90% or higher contact after some use. Never done any lapping. the design does the work for you.

I have swapped bolt heads between multiple actions with zero lock up issues.

I have yet to shoot a Savage and I have shot quite a number, where the bolt face was not square enough to the lugs to cause the case head to be bent. Unfortunately, I can't say that with some Rems I have used in the past.

I have used some very toasty loads so this would surely have shown up and I have never had a problem from a 223 to magnum. And I have been able to use the same batch of brass in several actions.

As for the action threads, I have built F class and LR rigs using both shoulder and barrel nut headspace and have yet to see any alignment issues. Or accuracy differences.

I did a test a few years back where I swapped a barrel between 4 actions manf over several years (headspacing using the nut has advantages) Used the same ammo and got the same results. Even swapped complete bolts. Not bad, not bad at all.

None of my actions have had any work done to them except for bolt timing. Shooting groups in the 2's (with the occasional 1's and even a rare zero) at 200yds, inside the V bull, and under 1/2 min at 1000m is good enough for me.

I am presently competing with a barrel nut headspaced Shilen prefit and they are shooting as well as my shouldered headspace rigs.

So to the OP, bedding would be the first and most important improvment you can make to your factory rig. The factory stocks need help - ALL of them.

From there, a quality match barrel prefit will allow you to shoot very nice groups close and far.

I use the factory recoil lug and have yet to see any problems. I have also worked on a number of CGN members rifles and have yet to have an issue bedding these lugs. so far, not a single complaint on shooting performance.

maybe, the Savage recoil lugs are flat enough from the factory? I have never bothered to measure as I have not run into any issues.

I have had the pleasure of shooting Savage actions built as far back as the 80's and they all share similar traits.

Perfect, of course not. Most bolts can do with a bit of TLC as they can be quite clunky to operate (work is called bolt timing). There have been a batch of really crappy extractors but Savage quickly replaces them if you phone them. Preaccutriggers can best be described as heavy and in dire need of an improvement like the Timney. For match shooting and light pull, there is only 1 option and this trigger group is fussy to set up. No, you will not be getting anywhere near as light as a Jewell but for F class, it is light enough for me (a few ounces).

You have to keep an eye on the changes in bolt spacing, mag parts, barrel nuts and barrel threads from the changes done on the rifles offered over the last 5 yrs. however, the action footprint, both LA and SA, has not changed in decades.

For the money and ease of tuning for the performance you are rewarded with, I am hard pressed to think of any other action to use.

Jerry
 
Sorry srt but you don't know what you are talking about. If face of action isn't square to the centerline of action ( Remington 700 actions are the worst in that department ) and factory stamped recoil lug is unevenly thick then you can end up with crooked mounted barrel not in line with action and no amount of floating bolt head will "rescue" the accuracy. Also to ease the assembly I think the tolerances of the barrel threads are to large for my taste, I have seen couple of pretty bad samples.

Yup your right I know nothing....:rolleyes: I've only bedded 2 dozen factory Savages and built 2 custom Savage's from the action up......I Happen to have 4 Savages in my safe and none required truing of the action. I have also never seen a factory recoil lug make a barrel crooked and the rifle actually still be able to shoot or be sighted in for that matter.

:cheers:

mysticplayer hit it on the head :D
 
As great as the factory lug may be to some, I've measured some which varied as much as .004" in thickness around the ring. I can't accept that as being good. In addition, I have seen enough Savage lugs bent to consider it a problem. So, I think replacing the lug is a reasonable move. Apart from that, I would be inclined to leave it alone. One could go all out and true the receiver just as you might a Remington 700 but I doubt that the results would be worth the cost. Regards, Bill.
 
I look at the recoil lug issue this way. It is $20 replace it. I also believe the locking lugs should be square to the face of the action but because of the floating bolt head they do not need to be square to the raceway (to a point).
 
As great as the factory lug may be to some, I've measured some which varied as much as .004" in thickness around the ring. I can't accept that as being good. In addition, I have seen enough Savage lugs bent to consider it a problem. So, I think replacing the lug is a reasonable move. Apart from that, I would be inclined to leave it alone. One could go all out and true the receiver just as you might a Remington 700 but I doubt that the results would be worth the cost. Regards, Bill.

Thanks for the info Bill. I knew they were plenty flat and if the worst you have seen is 4 thou and the others were less, I can't see this causing any issues for the type of builds these actions would be used for.

I am sure you know I compete to do well and would change whatever was needed especially as it is such a low budget part.

For F class (1/4 min accuracy), I just have never seen the need. And 1/4 min accuracy meets or exceeds the accuracy performance demanded by pretty much anyone outside the SR BR/ LR BR gig.

For Competitive Benchrest, would I even bother to use this action?????

Jerry
 
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