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Quick question about the new model 70's. Because of the CRF, if you just place a round in the chamber and close the bolt, will you damage the claw extractor? Do the rounds HAVE to come from the magazine to avoid this damage? I have some older mausers actions and that is the case with those. Just placing a round in the chamber and closing the bolt could bend the claw extractor, so all rounds MUST come from the magazine.
Are the new Model 70's the same?
 
On a true Mauser 98 action, the extractor certainly does not just, "slip over the rim." Usually, you can't even push it over the rim. It takes a good whack on the bolt handle with your hand, to do it.
And yes, I have had a gunsmith tell me you can break the extractor in doing this.
 
I have a bunch of CRF actions, Mauser, M70 new and old and avoid feeding from the ramp, why do that! These actions are designed to strip rounds from the magazine and unless the extractor is shaped to do otherwise you risk the chance of snapping it. The fix is easy enough to do with a little trial and error and a Dremel tool. I have never understood why anyone would want to feed any rifle this way since even the push feeds like the Remington M700 requires guidance from the ramp for reliable feeding actually the Remington requires it more than the M70 or the Mauser since they both have a cone face which helps greatly in guiding a feeding round as opposed to the Remington that is flat faced.
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The manual for the Model 70 indicates that it is capable of accepting a round loaded directly into the chamber. My Husqvarna and my CZ 527 both have an extractor that allows the same thing.

The original design of the Mauser-type claw extractor did not permit it to snap over a round in the chamber, although gunsmiths have commonly modified extractors to do so. A good rule of thumb is that if the bolt won't close over a round in the chamber without excessive force, the rifle shouldn't be loaded that way.
 
Like I said before, this is possible due to the bevelled edge on the claw. An original mauser action didn't have this feature. Winchester and Ruger had many years in PEACETIME conditions to tweak this minor but important feature. No one usually loads this way, but I have done it in the field 2 times, as I came upon game that I didn't actually set out to kill. These animals required a different type of ammo than I had loaded, and I didn't want to dump the floor plate to change ammo. (and possibly spill it all in the snow , plus make noise) so I pulled a different weight bullet from my breast pocket and popped it in. Bang Flop. That is a rare occasion, but I was glad I could do it. I now exclusively have either rugers or Winny CRF's in my locker. Not a push feed to be seen for acres. (Not that I don't like push feeds, I just don't need them for what I do with a hunting rifle)
 
H4831 said:
On a true Mauser 98 action, the extractor certainly does not just, "slip over the rim." Usually, you can't even push it over the rim. It takes a good whack on the bolt handle with your hand, to do it.
And yes, I have had a gunsmith tell me you can break the extractor in doing this.
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To simply remedy the problem in a pinch (pun intended), wrap your left hand around the stock bringing the tips of your fingers to the extractor. Gently press the extractor to the bolt body as you lower the bolt and voila the extractor slips over the rim on the cartridge in the chamber. Rocket science it is not.
 
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