BigDotGlock
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Second from the left, with a scope, could you tell us more about this one? Beautiful pic!
Shorty M1A, M14, M305 projects ...
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Second from the left, with a scope, could you tell us more about this one? Beautiful pic!
I have an norc m14 on the way, as i bought it this weekend on the EE. Looked for weeks and all of a sudden this weekend there are half a dozen in there. Anyways my question is, I would like to mount a pistol grip with car stock or something similar, there are several in here, are there any guidelines as to what stock to use, as in norinco wood, norinco plastic, usgi wood, usgi fibreglass? What pistol grip stock to fasten on? I saw the sticky of the howto to mount a folding stock, i would rather have a collapsing stock like the Knoxx specops shotgun stock. Love the pics and what some guys have done to there m14/305, m1a's in the thread.
Dave
Dave
for a m14 stock that will accept an AR buttstock and grip...... fiberglass....
commercial offerings in this config? would be (1) Vltor, which is a cutoff usgi stock with a bolted and glued adapter on the back that ONLY accepts Vltor's buffer tube and has NO rail options. expect to spend well over 700.00
and (2) the ICRW Inc M14S-CQB , new manufacture, carbon fiber/fiberglass, imbedded 7075 T6 aluminum adaptor that is part of the stock from the ground up. Accepts ANY Ar15 buffer tube (CAR stock)...... made in Canada in my shop and has a lifetime warranty
499.00 with no rail, 549.00 with full 12 " understock rail, buttstock is not supplied.there are not many do it yerself options for a stock in this config..... unless you can machine your own adaptor. One guy here used a S&J hardware shotgun adaptor but in my opinion the grip is to far back and low to be a viable option. the first 40 or so of these stocks i made for fellow CGN'ers were in fact usgi fiberglass stocks, cut of and milled out, then a reject AR15 receiver was cut in half, sliced again and the grip and buffer tube mount portions TIG welded back together in a precision jig...... ending up with a perfect adaptor, suitable for the project. Sadly this is not a viable option for a do it yerselfer..... unless you have a damged AR receiver to de register and chop/cut/rebuild
for a m14 stock that will accept an AR buttstock and grip...... fiberglass....
commercial offerings in this config? would be (1) Vltor, which is a cutoff usgi stock with a bolted and glued adapter on the back that ONLY accepts Vltor's buffer tube and has NO rail options. expect to spend well over 700.00
and (2) the ICRW Inc M14S-CQB , new manufacture, carbon fiber/fiberglass, imbedded 7075 T6 aluminum adaptor that is part of the stock from the ground up. Accepts ANY Ar15 buffer tube (CAR stock)...... made in Canada in my shop and has a lifetime warranty
there are not many do it yerself options for a stock in this config..... unless you can machine your own adaptor. One guy here used a S&J hardware shotgun adaptor but in my opinion the grip is to far back and low to be a viable option. the first 40 or so of these stocks i made for fellow CGN'ers were in fact usgi fiberglass stocks, cut of and milled out, then a reject AR15 receiver was cut in half, sliced again and the grip and buffer tube mount portions TIG welded back together in a precision jig...... ending up with a perfect adaptor, suitable for the project. Sadly this is not a viable option for a do it yerselfer..... unless you have a damged AR receiver to de register and chop/cut/rebuild
Hey Doc ... can you tell me, does your basic CQB model w/ CAR stock change the weight relative to the original USGI fiberglass stock?
depends on which buttstock kit you go with i suppose. essentially I'd say the weight is comparable with no significant gain. Think of it this way, the buttstock portion and buttplate of a usgi stock probably weighs more than your average AR buttstock... except for maybe the magpul PRS (she's a heavy one).
if you take a usgi fiberglass stock and cut it off behind the receiver and weigh it..... I'm pretty sure my stock minus it's adaptor will be darn near the same weight.
one of the things i'll be doing over the next bit is weighing my stocks in thier different configs. I have been endeavoring to get the ICRW Inc website up and running and all that info will be gathered for the adds on the site.
i did do a comparison between the VLTOR stock with buttstock and grip attached versus my M14S-CQB with commercial 6pos stock, hogue grip AND a full 12 " understock rail and believe it or not, my full railed M14S-CQB came in THREE OUNCES under the weight of the more expensive, usgi stock modded Vltor that come with no rails installed. We weighed it on video and briefly posted to YouTube but not sure if that video is still on thier or not. The demonstration was witnessed by at least one other gun nut who frequents the MBR forum and he was behind the camera
Hey Doc I am a bit of an ametuer machinist and have a lathe and mill. How do you get a bad or reject ar15 grip??? I was looking at the one sticky and that shotgun butt stock does not look that comfortable. I will have to look at the m14 when it gets here. I can't find any pics of your cqb stock, do you have a post on here or website or am I missing something. Have a good one.
Dave
Dave
and the link to the add in the CGn dealers and manufacturers forum
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506183
as for getting your mitts on frubarred AR15 recievers...... sadly, this will be near impossible.
I had an arrangement with a liscenced firearms manufacturer that saw all thier reject receivers go my way for a couple years.. those days are gone and i now utilize a proprietory adaptor in my new manufacture stocks.
Here's mine...
First time playing with an M14, and I wasn't interested in going crazy... Just a Cheapo little project...
Started life as a $400 dollar gun from SFRC (Norinco / PolyTech 2009 model). Had the barrel trimmed to 18.7", re-crowned, and threaded to accept an extra AR brake I had laying around. Picked up a cheap scope, mount, and a nice OP rod, and I'm done (almost)...So a couple hundred bucks in additional parts - little bit of gunsmith time and voila
The new rod made an instant difference in the cycling of the action... It didn't seem to bind as much as the action was opened and closed...
Here's a comparison to a Tavor - similar barrel length, but substantial size difference... also a surprising difference in weight - the M14 tips the scale in the 11 lb range...ouch-kabibble...
First time playing with an M14, and I wasn't interested in going crazy... Just a Cheapo little project...
Started life as a $400 dollar gun from SFRC (Norinco / PolyTech 2009 model). Had the barrel trimmed to 18.7", re-crowned, and threaded to accept an extra AR brake I had laying around. Picked up a cheap scope, mount, and a nice OP rod, and I'm done (almost)...So a couple hundred bucks in additional parts - little bit of gunsmith time and voila
The new rod made an instant difference in the cycling of the action... It didn't seem to bind as much as the action was opened and closed...
Here's a comparison to a Tavor - similar barrel length, but substantial size difference... also a surprising difference in weight - the M14 tips the scale in the 11 lb range...ouch-kabibble...
CreamySmooth
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OK, I just wanna know, what is the LIGHTEST, most COMPACT way to go for a stock. That's what I wanna do. Lighten the load right down, in a rifle set up in a minimalist way for hunting. I've got a nice light 1.4 to 4.5 Nikon Monarch for it. Light Light Light. That's what I want. Streamlining is also big on the list. nothing "sticking out" except maybe a short 2 inch rail on the front under to mount a bipod. Any idea on what I can get it down to? Can I do this and how??
M14doctor CQB custom stock might be your best bet. Shorter than a USGI fiberglass and around the same weight. Look for his thread in the dealer forum.
Around 500$ with a short rail as you wish.
Thats purrrty!
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My shorty-Troy chassis (replaced all screws from slot to hex),falcon 1.5-5.The single point sling was a bad idea,she's like wearin' a brick
It was my understanding that the Troy MCS was about the same as a good dense wood stock like birch or oak. Not so you say?
I don't find the troy mcs itself heavy .Just the total package is to much (for me anyhow)for the single point sling.Its going back on my sr22.The wood norc stock has been the light weight of all the stocks i've had.If I were to build a shorty m14 for hunting thats the stock id put on it.
.The wood norc stock has been the light weight of all the stocks i've had.If I were to build a shorty m14 for hunting thats the stock id put on it.
